Voting Ended - Motion Failed: "Formalizing a Friendly Amendment process"
Apr 3, 2015, 9:26 am
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I totally agree. Staying up very late in the hope that some gem of wisdom might be posted to influence your vote is just silly. If the one non-voter had simply bitten the bullet and voted a few hours earlier, we wouldn't be embarrassed -- and neither would she -- and we might very well have passed this motion!!! (I am not going to assume that she would have voted no, and she has not indicated how she would have voted if she hadn't fallen asleep.)
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Motions shouldn't die on the vine. That's bad management. Stand up and choose a side and move forward. I will remember this for a long time.
Apr 3, 2015, 9:42 am
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Apr 3, 2015, 10:03 am
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I concur and will go a step further: the rationale for not voting is more embarrassing and underscores why waiting until the last minute is bad form. And, really, this was a motion on which someone would "abstain"? I think TB members ought to have more conviction and courage than that. We owe more responsiveness to the membership.
I totally agree. Staying up very late in the hope that some gem of wisdom might be posted to influence your vote is just silly. If the one non-voter had simply bitten the bullet and voted a few hours earlier, we wouldn't be embarrassed -- and neither would she ....
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Agreed 100% (redux redux)! ^
Apr 3, 2015, 10:05 am
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I'll say this. The public fighting amongst TB members as seen throughout in this and another thread does not benefit either TB or FT and is disappointing.
Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
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Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
Cheers.
Apr 3, 2015, 10:09 am
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I'll say this. The public fighting amongst TB members as seen throughout in this and another thread does not benefit either TB or FT and is disappointing.
Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
Cheers.
Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
Cheers.
If I had done this, I'd expect this kind of backlash and I'd also turn in my resignation.
Apr 3, 2015, 10:38 am
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I'll say this. The public fighting amongst TB members as seen throughout in this and another thread does not benefit either TB or FT and is disappointing.
Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
Cheers.
Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.
Cheers.
How is criticizing someone for not doing his/her elected job "disappointing"? We're not giving participation trophies here. Folks RAN for this volunteer job. If you're not going to perform the duties, why run in the first place? At the very least, every person who voted for that member should feel let down. Membership deserves better. It's not like we're voting on measures on a daily basis, or don't get enough time to make a choice.
I would hope folks would call me out if I failed like this. And that's what it is: failure. Not a failure of the motion, but of the process.
Apr 3, 2015, 11:42 am
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Sorry. I'm the nonvoter. I fell asleep while still trying to decide between yes, no, or abstain. I was sitting on a comfortable sofa, totally exhausted, with ipad in lap, re-reading this thread again, making final lists with pro and con columns, and drafting potential "why I voted as I did" statements as a way to help me decide. I woke up about an hour and a half after the vote closed.
I'm sorry, although the vote and its outcome would have been exactly the same if I had abstained.
I'm sorry, although the vote and its outcome would have been exactly the same if I had abstained.
That's deeply disappointing.
A lot of people spent a lot of time and effort to come up with this proposal, discussing it, dissecting it. But you knew you were the deciding vote and you didn't vote on it because you fell asleep?
I guess I appreciate your honesty. But honestly. That's just rude.
Apr 3, 2015, 11:47 am
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Why was this issue put out for public discussion and vote? This seems to be a purely procedural TalkBoard matter that could have been decided privately. It's unfortunate if your rules don't allow for any private decision making.
Apr 3, 2015, 11:56 am
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Then come up with a rule that would allow the author of the proposal to withdraw the motion after the voting starts, once the problem with the motion is identified. Seems much easier to withdraw the motion if there's some minor issue with it, and then come back and introduce a new motion with the corrected language fixing whatever was wrong.
Apr 3, 2015, 12:13 pm
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Decisions on procedural matters impact the ability of posters to know about, see, comment on and react to TB decisions. So posters should be able to have their say on them.
Apr 3, 2015, 12:26 pm
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Apr 3, 2015, 1:01 pm
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Exactly. I don't think doing things "in the dark" is a good policy or practice.
Apr 3, 2015, 1:27 pm
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Furthermore some of the people commenting will be on a future TakkBoard. They might as well help out now in this forum.
Apr 3, 2015, 1:36 pm
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*Pun not intended, but on second glance, I rather like how it came out.
Apr 3, 2015, 4:00 pm
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I don't feel bad about my comments at all - public or private. This is embarrassing and deserving of criticism, both on a Board level and on an individual level.
How is criticizing someone for not doing his/her elected job "disappointing"? We're not giving participation trophies here. Folks RAN for this volunteer job. If you're not going to perform the duties, why run in the first place? At the very least, every person who voted for that member should feel let down. Membership deserves better. It's not like we're voting on measures on a daily basis, or don't get enough time to make a choice.
I would hope folks would call me out if I failed like this. And that's what it is: failure. Not a failure of the motion, but of the process.
How is criticizing someone for not doing his/her elected job "disappointing"? We're not giving participation trophies here. Folks RAN for this volunteer job. If you're not going to perform the duties, why run in the first place? At the very least, every person who voted for that member should feel let down. Membership deserves better. It's not like we're voting on measures on a daily basis, or don't get enough time to make a choice.
I would hope folks would call me out if I failed like this. And that's what it is: failure. Not a failure of the motion, but of the process.
I'm referring to the public pettiness & bickering that's been going on between some TB members for a lot of this thread & some of the other threads this year. Do you think FTers haven't noticed? (Answer: they have). Do you really think that shows TB in a positive light? I don't. There's a difference between civil discourse & presenting one's arguments pro/con & personally going after each other or in some cases going after FTers too.
Wow.
That's deeply disappointing.
A lot of people spent a lot of time and effort to come up with this proposal, discussing it, dissecting it. But you knew you were the deciding vote and you didn't vote on it because you fell asleep?
I guess I appreciate your honesty. But honestly. That's just rude.
That's deeply disappointing.
A lot of people spent a lot of time and effort to come up with this proposal, discussing it, dissecting it. But you knew you were the deciding vote and you didn't vote on it because you fell asleep?
I guess I appreciate your honesty. But honestly. That's just rude.
). But by posting the proposed motion publicly, input was garnered that helped some TB members decide yes/no & some tweaks made before it got to the formal motion stage. Nothing wrong with that.Cheers.