SWISS back to T4 in JFK
Nov 22, 2007, 7:41 pm
#16
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Actually T4 will be substantially better than T1 for LX primarily because of ramp space. The cramped T1 ramp is so crowded during the peak afternoon hours that LX14 often has to wait for various aircraft to taxi in and out before it can get to its gate - often even when LX14 arrives on time, it can take up to 30-60 minutes for the flight to finally get to its gate.
Nov 28, 2007, 3:22 pm
#17
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New SWISS lounge in JFK T4?
Indeed. When they moved to T1, it was (eventually) reincarnated as "The Lounge", unaffiliated with any airline. It's still a great stop-off with awesome views, complementary meals by request, and a fully stocked bar.
Remnants of the original SWISS affiliation remain with the European-style doors in the restrooms. It's not up to the SWISS standards anymore, though ... the walls have been painted purple
and the furnishings are starting to look shabby.
This suggests that there's something in the works that has nothing to do with their former lounge. I haven't heard that "The Lounge" is closing for renovations, either. Maybe SWISS is renovating the former Varig lounge next door? As of June 2007, it looked unoccupied, although I haven't been back since.
The old Varig space is smaller than their previous lounge but is probably big enough for LX and the *A passengers that would use it (SQ business still can't use the Virgin Clubhouse?)
Remnants of the original SWISS affiliation remain with the European-style doors in the restrooms. It's not up to the SWISS standards anymore, though ... the walls have been painted purple
and the furnishings are starting to look shabby. The old Varig space is smaller than their previous lounge but is probably big enough for LX and the *A passengers that would use it (SQ business still can't use the Virgin Clubhouse?)
Last edited by AirBuffalo; Nov 29, 2007 at 3:48 am Reason: grammar & a typo
Dec 1, 2007, 4:34 pm
#18
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Does anyone find it odd that T4 doesn't have a STAR Lounge? With LO, LX, OZ, SA, SQ, and TG all operating from T4, I would think it would be a good candidate for a STAR lounge. I also wonder why STAR hasn't tried to "move under one roof" at JFK.
JFK has AC, NH, OZ, OS, LO, LH, SQ, SQ, LX, TG, UA, and US spread across three terminals. I wonder if this is something that STAR is looking into.
JFK has AC, NH, OZ, OS, LO, LH, SQ, SQ, LX, TG, UA, and US spread across three terminals. I wonder if this is something that STAR is looking into.
Dec 4, 2007, 7:53 am
#19
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Looks like the former Varig space is now the recently-opened El Al lounge. The following terminal map shows an unassigned space between KLM and Virgin lounges. I wonder if that will be a new SWISS spot?
http://www.jfkiat.com/loungemap.html
Interesting thought. There's not a whole lot of feeder traffic domestically from JFK by UA or US, except to their respective hubs which can generally be reached from Europe or Asia without stopping at JFK. Therefore, there maybe not be much motivation to consolidate beyond lounge sharing (which is cool, but ....)
It would be an interesting experiment if all the *A airlines shared check-in, departure gates, and staff, but other than an *A-branded lounge in ZRH, i've not heard of such overarching collaboration among allance members. That kind of stuff has to be seriously bogged down in individual carrier's labor agreements, not to mention the airport powers-that-be.
on that note, i wonder if JFK has the most *A flights & airlines of any non-*A hub airport? Competition would probably be CDG or LHR (unless you count bmi's 'hub').
Brian
http://www.jfkiat.com/loungemap.html
Interesting thought. There's not a whole lot of feeder traffic domestically from JFK by UA or US, except to their respective hubs which can generally be reached from Europe or Asia without stopping at JFK. Therefore, there maybe not be much motivation to consolidate beyond lounge sharing (which is cool, but ....)
It would be an interesting experiment if all the *A airlines shared check-in, departure gates, and staff, but other than an *A-branded lounge in ZRH, i've not heard of such overarching collaboration among allance members. That kind of stuff has to be seriously bogged down in individual carrier's labor agreements, not to mention the airport powers-that-be.
on that note, i wonder if JFK has the most *A flights & airlines of any non-*A hub airport? Competition would probably be CDG or LHR (unless you count bmi's 'hub').
Brian
Dec 17, 2007, 12:33 am
#20
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Starting December 20, 2007 LX will move to T4 at JFK
In the news on board LX today, I noticed the announcement about the moving to T4 at JFK starting December 20. As far as I remember, LX will have a new First and Business Lounge. And LX agrees to move to T4 to ease the congestion at T1.
Dec 18, 2007, 2:43 am
#23
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back on topic.
I am not sure what the rules say about FTL on LX access to the LH lounge when there is no more alternative provided by LX. Don't FTLs have access to a FTL lounge when on a *A flight
oh, and I think it is very easy to use a lounge in another terminal at JFK (if before security) - Skytrain makes it very easy...^
Dec 18, 2007, 4:33 am
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Flying back from T1 last Thursday, we had 1.5 hours delay due to having to maneuver to let other planes get by for deicing ... Flying there Saturday and look forward to T4
Dec 24, 2007, 2:32 am
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Dec 27, 2007, 4:33 am
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Was their last night, it's actually exactly the same lounge as previously. Well stocked with preflight food and drinks. Left for 1st class and HONs, right for SENs and Business Class. The old smoking room is now a "quiet room".
Getting out of the gate was quick, but then we were number 29 for takeoff but that's JFK
Anyhow much better that T1 ^
Andre
Getting out of the gate was quick, but then we were number 29 for takeoff but that's JFK
Anyhow much better that T1 ^
Andre
Dec 31, 2007, 6:54 am
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Was their last night, it's actually exactly the same lounge as previously. Well stocked with preflight food and drinks. Left for 1st class and HONs, right for SENs and Business Class. The old smoking room is now a "quiet room".
Getting out of the gate was quick, but then we were number 29 for takeoff but that's JFK
Anyhow much better that T1 ^
Andre
Getting out of the gate was quick, but then we were number 29 for takeoff but that's JFK
Anyhow much better that T1 ^
Andre
Jan 8, 2008, 3:57 am
#30
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hello,
as FTL I everytime have access to the LH Business Lounge in JFK T1 (with LH Y Ticket).
As FTL you're entitled to use all LH Business Lounges and FTL lounges with an valid Boarding Pass of the day.
In the JFK LH lounge all LX flights were announced, so it seems like, LX passangers use this lounge.
But the LH lounge will be rebuild in spring 2008, then the entrance will be behind the security.
Best regards,
taigatrommel
as FTL I everytime have access to the LH Business Lounge in JFK T1 (with LH Y Ticket).
As FTL you're entitled to use all LH Business Lounges and FTL lounges with an valid Boarding Pass of the day.
In the JFK LH lounge all LX flights were announced, so it seems like, LX passangers use this lounge.
But the LH lounge will be rebuild in spring 2008, then the entrance will be behind the security.
Best regards,
taigatrommel