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MagMile's two previous posts are excellent and I agree.
"All of this controversy is really the result of what used to be General Traveltalk now being on the Travel board. I suspect people now have the habit of posting stuff to Buzz that they would have posted to General Traveltalk in the past (although there was always plenty of random stuff in Buzz)." Definitely agree. The General Travel Talk Forum being moved seems to have posed a problem for many posters. Maybe, as suggested before, have a General Travel/Mileage Talk forum that is "cross present" as is the Omni Forum? "Given that Randy has decided to reorganize the boards as he has, it can only make sense to try to enforce some order to the system. If the Travel board withers away, then I suppose he might rethink the organization. But it seems to me the last thing we should do is to attack the moderators (not everyone is doing this but some are)." Definitely agree, again. I mentioned the agressive comments towards moderators on the first page of this thread ("Lord of the Locked Rings" and "Hitler") and I felt they lacked the mutual respect needed to advance a serious discussion. My feelings apply equally to comments posted by moderators; essxjay's "sorry, kiddo" comment (see above) was surprising. "While there can be some genuine debate about what should be in MilesBuzz, there can be little question the threads that have been shut down don't fit within the definition of MilesBuzz. I also find it curious that there is criticism that the moderators have not shut down every questionable thread. That would surely have led to even greater discontent. It would appear that some people are upset that THEIR threads have been shut down. To the extent the moderators have become reluctant to shut down other threads, I think they should just go ahead, exercising their best judgment." Very well said, MagMile. [This message has been edited by blairvanhorn (edited 08-13-2001).] |
Look essxjay, I was posting my opinion per the original topic "Do we need moderators?". I was expressing my dislike for the changes to the FT boards, I do not need to be criticized in such an offensive way ("sorry kiddo") for an opinion that many others agree with. If we can't have a civil discussion, why hold one at all?
I am in favor of organization and having threads in the proper place, but in my opinion the actions of the moderators thus far have been excessive. [This message has been edited by nikbruno (edited 08-13-2001).] |
I dislike seeing so many closed threads because they are placed in the wrong thread. In fact, I seem to be drawn to these locked threads out of curosity.... I do think that are moderators should direct posters to the right forums without locking a post. We have all seen someone poilitley say " you' receive better answers in the UA forum" why can't moderators just be people designated to remind people when the post out of place. I think alot of the "lost" posts occur when someone is new to FT. When I search the FlyerTalk Trip Report board, along with the great reports, I often find airline specific questions posted by people new to FT..... I would suggest moderators be used to re-direct by suggestion (I understand you cannot physically move them) instead of closing threads that do have good info.
PS. I am a little surprised at the dismay over having to sift through information on this board..... It doesn't take that much time to read the thread title and read or not read accordingly.....,. |
I'm all for aggressive action on the part of the moderators as long as it is consistently applied. What I don't want to see is random intervention, so that one irrelevant thread is locked/moved while another stays beneath the radar.
Post your thread in the right place to begin with and it won't be closed or moved. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CTANK: PS. I am a little surprised at the dismay over having to sift through information on this board..... It doesn't take that much time to read the thread title and read or not read accordingly.....,.</font> So far, functionality is winning over order by approximately 2:1, but I would hazard to guess that the two "types" are probably evenly divided. Just going out on a limb here. |
nologic - Thanks for taking the tally, but again, posts that are off topic will be moved. As long as there is a FlyerTalk Travel or other area for non-mileage related posts to go, that's what is going to happen.
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I've been lurking on FlyerTalk for about two years now I guess. So I don't know if that makes me a newcomer or not; certainly to posting.
I think it's a good thing to encourage threads to be posted where they best fit. The unfortunate thing is that they can't be moved between these separate boards. So I'd like to join in with someone's earlier suggestion that a link to the thread, once it is opened in the proper place, be added to the original thread before the thread is locked. One thing to keep in mind for the folks who are upset about this is that most board software starts misbehaving when the number of posts starts getting unwieldy. So keeping posts in their proper place, as much as possible, will help keep performance at its peak in this the most popular of the boards. |
I like the Miles area being kept on topic. I think the problem is that threads can't be moved, so it's a fairly disruptive process. I think once that hurdle got overcome (if it ever is) and people grow accustomed to looking in FlyerTalk travel, people will calm down again.
Just so you don't think that I'm far too agreeable on things, I'll put my malcontent hat on for a moment. Does anyone else thing that FlyerTalk Dining and FlyerTalk Airports especially wouldn't be much better rolled into the FlyerTalk Travel section? Nobody ever seems to post there. Questions go asked and unanswered. It's a pain to go to my 50th board (exaggration, I know) unless I have a specific question to ask. If I do, I post -- and since no one else wants to go to the 50th board, it's never answered. I mean, the average number of topics per board on FlyerTalk Airport is 2.77. That's looking at all posts, ever. Isn't that a wee bit low? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Moderator1: I'm at a loss to understand why that argument continues. At home, do you not have seperate places where you put your socks, underware, pants and shirts? Or do you just open a door or drawer and chuck'em in all messed up? I doubt it. It's the same thing here, and here things will be organized.</font> Again, I think most of the problem is having the four unlinked boards; people would be much more likely to use all *Buzz if it didn't require the extra navigation (I don't think there will ever be a use for the dozens of new forums, e.g. one for each airport is such overkill). Given how excruciatingly slow FT usually is, the extra clicks are not insignificant. |
Just for the record, since I have been very quiet over the last four days. I am on the road, and "moderating" has been difficult due to connection limitations. My support for Burkey and Essxjay's efforts are complete.
All three of the moderators have full time jobs and other lives. Moderating is not easy, as I'm sure all of you have observed. Constructive criticism is encouraged. Personal attacks don't help the community or add legitimacy to a contrarian position. ------------------ Craig6z Buzz & United Moderator [email protected] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by nikbruno: Look essxjay, I was posting my opinion per the original topic "Do we need moderators?". I was expressing my dislike for the changes to the FT boards, I do not need to be criticized in such an offensive way ("sorry kiddo") for an opinion that many others agree with. If we can't have a civil discussion, why hold one at all? </font> In general, most people who volunteer to be moderators are those who are least suitable. Also a classic to (1) try hard to become a moderator, (2) misuse your power, and then (3) tell everyone that you really are using all your spare time to help everybody. Oh please, I am getting so sick of this. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif On a side note I watched a documentary on Hitlerjugend last night, and I did draw some lines between that and current events. [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 08-13-2001).] |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Goldlust: You have got it all backwards! Since there are nobody to moderate the moderators they can use derogatory sentences as much as they like... and they do. In general, most people who volunteer to be moderators are those who are least suitable. Also a classic to (1) try hard to become a moderator, (2) misuse your power, and then (3) tell everyone that you really are using all your spare time to help everybody. Oh please, I am getting so sick of this. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif On a side note I watched a documentary on Hitlerjugend last night, and I did draw some lines between that and current events. [This message has been edited by Goldlust (edited 08-13-2001).]</font> |
Goldlust
You have summarized the situation brilliantly. Moderators have a moral resposibility to be polite, use polite language and avoid controversial issues. If they cannot fulfil these roles, they are dismal failures and should give way to better suited persons. Perhapsthe boss Randy should intervene and gently suggest to the moderator/s to use less offensive language. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">The current FT is closer to having an individual drawer for each sock in four separate cabinets on four different floors than the above analogy.</font> In all seriousness, why is this discussion in "suggestions"? It seems to me that this location was chosen precisely because its a low-traffic area and the discussion is more likely to die a quiet death here. A quick poll: how many of those who posted here (either before or after the threads were moved from buzz) had ever even looked in this forum before? I never had, and from the paucity of topics, it seems not many others had, either. |
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