Official Announcement: SPG and Marriott Programs to Merge on August 18th
#76
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OMG...I am reading through all of these posts and it all just looks like a bloody nightmare! I am going to have to hunker down and take notes to figure out what my game plan is!
I feel badly for anyone that has a reservation on Sat. Aug. 18th...I have one on the 23rd, and at least I have a few business days to sort out any SNAFUS...
I feel badly for anyone that has a reservation on Sat. Aug. 18th...I have one on the 23rd, and at least I have a few business days to sort out any SNAFUS...
#77
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Based on my understanding you will be INVITED on 18 August to merge your accounts ... ie, it won't happen automatically. You have until the end of the year to merge your accounts and then it becomes mandatory.
Therefore it doesn't make any sense to merge your accounts while you have stays, ie on 18 August. If you do nothing then SPG benefits will apply and the points associated with that. Personally I would merge my accounts when I have no bookings.
Is my understanding correct?
Therefore it doesn't make any sense to merge your accounts while you have stays, ie on 18 August. If you do nothing then SPG benefits will apply and the points associated with that. Personally I would merge my accounts when I have no bookings.
Is my understanding correct?
If you use a mix of Starwood and Marriott Hotels for your stays, it would make sense to merge your accounts on the 18th of August.
If you mainly use Starwood Hotels only, the new information suggests it would be better to keep your SPG account separate for as long as possible - which would be the end of the year. This way you get the current 10 / 25 / 50 stays for status credits, earn Lifetime Nights and up to 3 nights / stays for bookings in the same hotel at the same time.
So as an SPG Loyalist, the advice from the agent for my situation is don't do anything on the 18th.
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Based on my understanding you will be INVITED on 18 August to merge your accounts ... ie, it won't happen automatically. You have until the end of the year to merge your accounts and then it becomes mandatory.
Therefore it doesn't make any sense to merge your accounts while you have stays, ie on 18 August. If you do nothing then SPG benefits will apply and the points associated with that. Personally I would merge my accounts when I have no bookings.
Is my understanding correct?
Therefore it doesn't make any sense to merge your accounts while you have stays, ie on 18 August. If you do nothing then SPG benefits will apply and the points associated with that. Personally I would merge my accounts when I have no bookings.
Is my understanding correct?
But on 18-Aug, ALL SPG accounts will be converted also into new program. You will get 9 digits MR like account number and all existing points will be converted to new program points (x3). Your earning will be 10 points / $ and so on....
well, this is my understanding, I hope it is correct.
This is also why my first question, even for redemption, to be based on new rates and category, can I start to redeem at 18 Aug hotel time or have to wait until 18 Aug US EST?
#79
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Given they are taking the central worldwide system down (properties exempted) on the 18th EDT until they are ready to let us in, your only hope will be to call the property to see if they are willing/able to book a stay. I doubt the CSRs will have a functioning system to make any reservations. And if the the property delegates all reservations to central, nothing to happen then either.
Personally, I'd be scrambling to make whatever reservations I need that week right now! Get them into the system and to the properties as early as possible and SAVE all screenshots/confirmations as they happen. Everything else to wait until the first reports come back as to how the system is doing.
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Can Starwood Lurker please confirm if I am able to postpone the merger and keep the same spg rules until end of the year? All I need to do is unmerge my already spg and marriott accounts.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
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Can Starwood Lurker please confirm if I am able to postpone the merger and keep the same spg rules until end of the year? All I need to do is unmerge my already spg and marriott accounts.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
The Lurker has posted: Members will earn points for up to 3 rooms and will earn Elite Night credit for their personal room. <added by Starwood Lurker 23Apr18> in the Wiki at Official announcement See how our three loyalty programs will become one in August. Now will that hold true? Unknown at this time.
#82
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Can Starwood Lurker please confirm if I am able to postpone the merger and keep the same spg rules until end of the year? All I need to do is unmerge my already spg and marriott accounts.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
Have a reservation for 3 rooms in September for 7 nights each. Those 21 nights would be great into my life time account rather only 7 nights.
How is that so difficult to understand?
#83
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Have you read the official announcement? The order in that statement makes it clear there will be one program, after which people can combine their accounts, not that there will be two programs and you will need to combine your accounts to take a part in the new program.
How is that so difficult to understand?
How is that so difficult to understand?
#85
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The CSRs clearly misunderstand what is happening. CSRs have been a wealth of misinformation since April. Again, how do you think Marriott is going to run the legacy program if the points are awarded and spent in the new program, the website and app are moved into the new program and status levels are only recognized in the new program? It has been mentioned that the CSRs will be using the two different systems for now, but both systems are being moved to the new program. The CSR will need to figure in which system each guest;s information is in, but 18SPG legacy program itself ends on Aug 18th at 6:00 am. The marketing materials are very clear. CSRs do not run the company.
Sorry, but the clear marketing materials that go into detail on what changes will automatically happen on Aug 18 and letting members know after the changes they should combine their accounts leave zero room for the CSR to be right. Combining accounts, which despite your earlier post has not happened yet, takes place after all the accounts have been moved into the new program so not merging will be irrelevant to your being moved into the new program,
Sorry, but the clear marketing materials that go into detail on what changes will automatically happen on Aug 18 and letting members know after the changes they should combine their accounts leave zero room for the CSR to be right. Combining accounts, which despite your earlier post has not happened yet, takes place after all the accounts have been moved into the new program so not merging will be irrelevant to your being moved into the new program,
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#86
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I believe it is going to be difficult to rely on oral representations of the program. Marriott is setting their, and Starwood's, CSR's up for failure in this merger of loyalty programs by having three different set of rules through December 31. 1) Use the SPG rules; 2) use the current Marriott Rewards rules; or 3) use the new Marriott program rules.
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I haven't seen anything that says there will be three sets of rules come 18 August. It will be one program with one set of rules.
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- Everything, be it MR, RC and/or SPG, will be ONE program. Look at it as three brands/names of the same product.
- Our 11-digit SPG numbers will be replaced with new 9-digit numbers consistent with MR's system rules and that down the line/between those of us who have pre-existing MR numbers, we can select which number we want to work with going forward.
- With the implementation of the one new as-yet-unnamed program on 8/18, one can qualify for any level of elite status through the agglomeration of MR/SPG nights. If that's the case, the top-tier Platinum Premier Elite with Ambassador status is granted upon the completion of 100 nights [be they with any combination of legacy MR or SPG brands] in addition to the $20K annual spend.
- With the implementation of the one new as-yet-unnamed program on 8/18, one can qualify for Platinum Premier Elite with Ambassador status through 100 nights at SPG legacy brands only, regardless of account combination and any additional nights/spend at MR legacy brands. The $20K annual spend requirement will NOT apply if you complete 100 nights at SPG legacy brands through 12/31/2018.
- Through December 31st, 2018, one can qualify for Platinum Elite status through 25 stays at SPG legacy brands only.
- As of 8/18, Platinum Premier Elite status can be gained through 75 nights, regardless of completion of 75 nights exclusively at MR/SPG legacy brands or any combination of the two.
- Come January 1st, 2019, Platinum Elite-by-stays will be dead and Platinum Elite status will only be achieved via 50 nights at any of the 29 participating brands. Platinum Premier Elite will be achievable only through 75 nights at any of the 29 participating brands, and Platinum Premier Elite with Ambassador will only be achieved through 100 nights at any of the 29 participating brands in addition to the $20K annual spend.
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