Oct 4, 2013, 11:13 pm
Last edit by: margarita girl
This Wiki is helpful for those of us trying to identify if we're getting a good rate or if it may be better to wait until a better rate comes along.
As such, please list the lowest rate you've ever seen at a property that is available to the general public (this excludes SET rates, Gov't rates and AARP). We will include AAA rates, since anyone can join AAA and be eligible.
Please be sure to:
1- list the mo/year the rate was good for (NOT the month you found the rate). This will allow us to see seasonality. So, for example if you find a rate lower than one shown below for the same season (spring, summer, winter or fall) - replace the rate you found with the new one. If you found it in a different season or year, just add it below the rate - and leave the rate shown.
2- list the type of rate you found or where you found it (if not on Starwood). If you found the rate off Starwood - please list "all in" rate (including taxes & fees you were charged).
3- list the rates in local currency (which removes currency fluctuations).
Asia Pacific
Australia
Gold Coast - Sheraton Mirage Resort & Spa
Summer - $206.67 AUD incl tax, Mastercard Buy 2 Get 3 (3/2014)
Melbourne - The Westin Melbourne
Summer - $201 AUD incl tax, SPG Cyber Monday Sale (11/2016)
Sydney - Four Points by Sheraton Syndey, Darling Harbour
Summer - $164 AUD incl. tax, Mastercard 20% off 2+ nights (03/2014)
Fall - $164 AUD incl tax, Mastercard 20% off 2+ nights (4/2014)
Sydney - Sheraton on the Park
Winter - $145 AUD incl. tax, Pre-paid rate (08/2012)
Summer - $204 AUD incl tax, pre-paid rate (3/2014)
Sydney - The Westin Sydney
Summer - $225 AUD incl. tax, BAR (03/2014)
China
Hong Kong - Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers
Fall - 1,900 HKD + 10% tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (11/2013)
Summer - 1,710 HKD + 10% tax, 14 Days Adv Booking, Prepaid (08/2014)
Winter - 1,520 HKD + 10% tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (12/2013)
Shandong - Aloft Haylang
Winter- 24USD Hot rates.
Zhengzhou - Aloft Zhengzhou Shangjie
Fall- 188CNY weekend, 288CNY weekday (10/2013)
Macau/Macao - Sheraton Macao, Cotai Central
Winter - 1,250 HKD + service charge and taxes. BRG Rate (01/2015)
India
Jaipur- Four Points by Sheraton Jaipur
Summer - INR 2,699 ($43) tax inclusive, BAR (05/2013)
Indonesia
Bali- Le Meridien Bali
Summer - $135 USD + tax, Best Available Rate (08/2013)
Bali - Westin Bali
Winter - 124 USD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Spring 108.31 all in, BRG rate, with 10% discount, from agoda (03/2014)
Korea
Seoul- Westin Chosun Seoul
Winter - 165,898.91 KRW plus tax and service charge, per night. BRG Rate ~ USD150++ per night (Feb 2015)
Singapore
Singapore - Sheraton Singapore
Fall - 197 SGD (10/2013)
Winter - 182 SGD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Singapore - Westin Singapore
Winter - 296 SGD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Thailand
Bangkok - Aloft Bangkok Sukhumvit 11
Fall - 2,204 THB + tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (Oct & Nov 2013)
Winter - 2,350 THB + tax, SPG50 (Dec 2013)
Bangkok - Four Points by Sheraton Bangkok
Fall - 2,659 THB + 17.7% tax, SPG Hot Escapes (Dec 2013)
Winter - 2,667 THB + 17.7% tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (Jan 2014)
Bangkok - Le Meridien:
Fall - 3,192THB + 17.7% tax, SPG Hot Escapes (10/2013)
Summer - 3,000THB +17.7% tax, (7/2010)
Winter - 2,718.78 THB ++ (1/2014)
Bangkok - Plaza Athénée Bangkok, A Royal Méridien Hotel
Winter - 3,533 THB ++ (12/2013)
Bangkok - Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit:
Summer - 3,999 THB ++ SPG Hot Escapes weekends (07/2014)
Summer - 2,350 THB (~55€) incl. Breakf. & Tax logitravel.de (08/2013)
Winter - 3,999 THB ++ Chinese New Year prepaid hotel offer (01/2012)
Bangkok - W Bangkok
Summer - 2,350 THB ($75USD) + 17.7% tax, Red Hot Deal - Save 50%, on hotelclub.com (07/2013)
Fall - 3,900 THB ++, Red Hot Deal Save 50% Prepaid (11/2013)
Bangkok - Westin Grande Sukhumvit:
Fall - 2,850 THB ++ weekends, SPG Hot Escapes (Oct, Nov & Dec 2013)
Winter - 3,000 THB ++ SPG Hot Escapes (Jan & Feb 2014)
Phuket - Westin Siray Bay
Fall - 2,200 THB ++ DALY50 (09/2013)
Koh Samui - Le Meridien Koh Samui Resort & Spa
Spring THB 4,468.06 all in. BRG claim, with 10% discount, from agoda (05/2014)
Europe
France
Paris - Le Meridien Etoile
Spring - 123 Euros including tax, Travel Zoo, prepaid rate (01/2012)
Fall - 133 Euros including tax, Travel Zoo, prepaid rate (02/2015)
Georgia
Batumi - Sheraton Batumi
Fall - $145USD including tax, SPG50 (09/2013)
Germany
Duesseldorf - Sheraton Duesseldorf Airport
Fall - 88€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Essen - Sheraton Essen
Fall - 89€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Frankfurt- Sheraton Frankfurt Airport
Winter - 90€, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Greece
Athens - King George
Fall - 141.75€ + 7% tax, Best Available Rate (Oct & Nov 2013)
Italy
Bari - Sheraton Nicolaus:
Fall- 83.70€ including tax, AAA (09/2013)
Milan - Four Points Milan
Fall - 74€ including tax, Buy 2 get 1 free weekends (Oct, Nov & Dec 2013)
Milan - Sheraton Diana Majestic:
Fall - 89€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (09/2013)
Milan - Westin Palace:
Fall - 118€ including tax, except 5€ city tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Rome - Westin Excelsior
Fall - 217€ plus tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (11/2013)
Spain
Barcelona - Le Meridien Barcelona
Fall - 166€ plus tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (11/2013)
Barcelona - W Barcelona
Fall - 173€ plus tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (11/2013)
Madrid - Westin Palace:
Summer - 159€ plus tax, SPG Hot Escapes (8/2014)
Fall - 168€ plus tax (11/2013)
Russia
St. Petersburg - W St. Petersburg
Fall - $125€ + tax on Sundays, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (11/2013)
Middle East & Africa
Egypt
Luxor- Sheraton Luxor, Egypt
Fall - $49.21USD +24% tax, 30% off prepaid incl. breakfast (11/2013)
UAE
Abu Dhabi - St Regis Saadiyat Island
Winter - 714 AED, prepaid rate (12/2013)
North America
California
Los Angeles - Westin Long Beach
Fall - $109 + tax, Birth Year Offer (10/2014)
San Francisco - Le Meridien San Francisco
Winter - $169 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - Palace Hotel
Summer - $199 + tax, Best Available Rate (8/2013)
Winter - $145 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf Hotel
Fall - $129 + tax, Best Available Rate (11/2013)
Winter - $139 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - W San Francisco
Summer - $151 + tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (8/2014)
San Francisco - Westin San Francisco Market Street
Winter - $129 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco- Westin St. Francis San Francisco on Union Square
Fall - $144 + tax, Best Available Rate (11/2013)
Winter - $159 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
Colorado
Beaver Creek (Avon—the Vail Valley) - Sheraton Mountain Vista
Fall - $89 + tax, AAA (Oct/Nov 2013 until 11/21 since Vail opens on 11/22)
Florida
Ft Lauderdale - The Westin Ft Lauderdale:
Fall - $75.24 + $11% tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (10/2013)
Jacksonville - Four Points by Sheraton Jacksonville Baymeadows
Fall - $64 + tax, most weekends (Nov & Dec 2013)
Hawaii
Honolulu - Sheraton Waikiki
Winter - $196 + tax, partial ocean view, prepaid (01/2015)
Nebraska
Omaha - Sheraton Omaha
Fall - $69 incl. breakfast (09/2013)
New York
Long Island City - Four Points by Sheraton LIC/Queensboro Bridge
Fall - $188 +18.24% tax, AAA Rate over Thanksgiving weekend (11/2013)
Queens - Sheraton JFK
Summer - $148 +18.25% tax, Buy 2 get 3rd free (8/2014)
Fall - $135 +18.25% tax, Buy 2 get 3rd free (9/2014)
Virginia
Dulles/Reston - Sheraton Herndon Dulles Airport:
Fall - $59 + tax, every weekend all Fall (2013)
Dulles/Reston - Sheraton Reston:
Fall - $64 + tax, every weekend in September incl. Thursdays (09/2013)
Central & South America
As such, please list the lowest rate you've ever seen at a property that is available to the general public (this excludes SET rates, Gov't rates and AARP). We will include AAA rates, since anyone can join AAA and be eligible.
Please be sure to:
1- list the mo/year the rate was good for (NOT the month you found the rate). This will allow us to see seasonality. So, for example if you find a rate lower than one shown below for the same season (spring, summer, winter or fall) - replace the rate you found with the new one. If you found it in a different season or year, just add it below the rate - and leave the rate shown.
2- list the type of rate you found or where you found it (if not on Starwood). If you found the rate off Starwood - please list "all in" rate (including taxes & fees you were charged).
3- list the rates in local currency (which removes currency fluctuations).
Asia Pacific
Australia
Gold Coast - Sheraton Mirage Resort & Spa
Summer - $206.67 AUD incl tax, Mastercard Buy 2 Get 3 (3/2014)
Melbourne - The Westin Melbourne
Summer - $201 AUD incl tax, SPG Cyber Monday Sale (11/2016)
Sydney - Four Points by Sheraton Syndey, Darling Harbour
Summer - $164 AUD incl. tax, Mastercard 20% off 2+ nights (03/2014)
Fall - $164 AUD incl tax, Mastercard 20% off 2+ nights (4/2014)
Sydney - Sheraton on the Park
Winter - $145 AUD incl. tax, Pre-paid rate (08/2012)
Summer - $204 AUD incl tax, pre-paid rate (3/2014)
Sydney - The Westin Sydney
Summer - $225 AUD incl. tax, BAR (03/2014)
China
Hong Kong - Sheraton Hong Kong Hotel & Towers
Fall - 1,900 HKD + 10% tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (11/2013)
Summer - 1,710 HKD + 10% tax, 14 Days Adv Booking, Prepaid (08/2014)
Winter - 1,520 HKD + 10% tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (12/2013)
Shandong - Aloft Haylang
Winter- 24USD Hot rates.
Zhengzhou - Aloft Zhengzhou Shangjie
Fall- 188CNY weekend, 288CNY weekday (10/2013)
Macau/Macao - Sheraton Macao, Cotai Central
Winter - 1,250 HKD + service charge and taxes. BRG Rate (01/2015)
India
Jaipur- Four Points by Sheraton Jaipur
Summer - INR 2,699 ($43) tax inclusive, BAR (05/2013)
Indonesia
Bali- Le Meridien Bali
Summer - $135 USD + tax, Best Available Rate (08/2013)
Bali - Westin Bali
Winter - 124 USD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Spring 108.31 all in, BRG rate, with 10% discount, from agoda (03/2014)
Korea
Seoul- Westin Chosun Seoul
Winter - 165,898.91 KRW plus tax and service charge, per night. BRG Rate ~ USD150++ per night (Feb 2015)
Singapore
Singapore - Sheraton Singapore
Fall - 197 SGD (10/2013)
Winter - 182 SGD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Singapore - Westin Singapore
Winter - 296 SGD++, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Thailand
Bangkok - Aloft Bangkok Sukhumvit 11
Fall - 2,204 THB + tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (Oct & Nov 2013)
Winter - 2,350 THB + tax, SPG50 (Dec 2013)
Bangkok - Four Points by Sheraton Bangkok
Fall - 2,659 THB + 17.7% tax, SPG Hot Escapes (Dec 2013)
Winter - 2,667 THB + 17.7% tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (Jan 2014)
Bangkok - Le Meridien:
Fall - 3,192THB + 17.7% tax, SPG Hot Escapes (10/2013)
Summer - 3,000THB +17.7% tax, (7/2010)
Winter - 2,718.78 THB ++ (1/2014)
Bangkok - Plaza Athénée Bangkok, A Royal Méridien Hotel
Winter - 3,533 THB ++ (12/2013)
Bangkok - Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit:
Summer - 3,999 THB ++ SPG Hot Escapes weekends (07/2014)
Summer - 2,350 THB (~55€) incl. Breakf. & Tax logitravel.de (08/2013)
Winter - 3,999 THB ++ Chinese New Year prepaid hotel offer (01/2012)
Bangkok - W Bangkok
Summer - 2,350 THB ($75USD) + 17.7% tax, Red Hot Deal - Save 50%, on hotelclub.com (07/2013)
Fall - 3,900 THB ++, Red Hot Deal Save 50% Prepaid (11/2013)
Bangkok - Westin Grande Sukhumvit:
Fall - 2,850 THB ++ weekends, SPG Hot Escapes (Oct, Nov & Dec 2013)
Winter - 3,000 THB ++ SPG Hot Escapes (Jan & Feb 2014)
Phuket - Westin Siray Bay
Fall - 2,200 THB ++ DALY50 (09/2013)
Koh Samui - Le Meridien Koh Samui Resort & Spa
Spring THB 4,468.06 all in. BRG claim, with 10% discount, from agoda (05/2014)
Europe
France
Paris - Le Meridien Etoile
Spring - 123 Euros including tax, Travel Zoo, prepaid rate (01/2012)
Fall - 133 Euros including tax, Travel Zoo, prepaid rate (02/2015)
Georgia
Batumi - Sheraton Batumi
Fall - $145USD including tax, SPG50 (09/2013)
Germany
Duesseldorf - Sheraton Duesseldorf Airport
Fall - 88€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Essen - Sheraton Essen
Fall - 89€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Frankfurt- Sheraton Frankfurt Airport
Winter - 90€, Hot Escapes (01/2014)
Greece
Athens - King George
Fall - 141.75€ + 7% tax, Best Available Rate (Oct & Nov 2013)
Italy
Bari - Sheraton Nicolaus:
Fall- 83.70€ including tax, AAA (09/2013)
Milan - Four Points Milan
Fall - 74€ including tax, Buy 2 get 1 free weekends (Oct, Nov & Dec 2013)
Milan - Sheraton Diana Majestic:
Fall - 89€ including tax, BeatTheTimer (09/2013)
Milan - Westin Palace:
Fall - 118€ including tax, except 5€ city tax, BeatTheTimer (10/2013)
Rome - Westin Excelsior
Fall - 217€ plus tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (11/2013)
Spain
Barcelona - Le Meridien Barcelona
Fall - 166€ plus tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (11/2013)
Barcelona - W Barcelona
Fall - 173€ plus tax, Buy 2 get 1 free (11/2013)
Madrid - Westin Palace:
Summer - 159€ plus tax, SPG Hot Escapes (8/2014)
Fall - 168€ plus tax (11/2013)
Russia
St. Petersburg - W St. Petersburg
Fall - $125€ + tax on Sundays, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (11/2013)
Middle East & Africa
Egypt
Luxor- Sheraton Luxor, Egypt
Fall - $49.21USD +24% tax, 30% off prepaid incl. breakfast (11/2013)
UAE
Abu Dhabi - St Regis Saadiyat Island
Winter - 714 AED, prepaid rate (12/2013)
North America
California
Los Angeles - Westin Long Beach
Fall - $109 + tax, Birth Year Offer (10/2014)
San Francisco - Le Meridien San Francisco
Winter - $169 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - Palace Hotel
Summer - $199 + tax, Best Available Rate (8/2013)
Winter - $145 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - Sheraton Fisherman's Wharf Hotel
Fall - $129 + tax, Best Available Rate (11/2013)
Winter - $139 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco - W San Francisco
Summer - $151 + tax, SPG Hot Escapes, Member Only (8/2014)
San Francisco - Westin San Francisco Market Street
Winter - $129 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
San Francisco- Westin St. Francis San Francisco on Union Square
Fall - $144 + tax, Best Available Rate (11/2013)
Winter - $159 + tax, Best Available Rate (12/2013)
Colorado
Beaver Creek (Avon—the Vail Valley) - Sheraton Mountain Vista
Fall - $89 + tax, AAA (Oct/Nov 2013 until 11/21 since Vail opens on 11/22)
Florida
Ft Lauderdale - The Westin Ft Lauderdale:
Fall - $75.24 + $11% tax, SPG Hot Escapes Members Rate (10/2013)
Jacksonville - Four Points by Sheraton Jacksonville Baymeadows
Fall - $64 + tax, most weekends (Nov & Dec 2013)
Hawaii
Honolulu - Sheraton Waikiki
Winter - $196 + tax, partial ocean view, prepaid (01/2015)
Nebraska
Omaha - Sheraton Omaha
Fall - $69 incl. breakfast (09/2013)
New York
Long Island City - Four Points by Sheraton LIC/Queensboro Bridge
Fall - $188 +18.24% tax, AAA Rate over Thanksgiving weekend (11/2013)
Queens - Sheraton JFK
Summer - $148 +18.25% tax, Buy 2 get 3rd free (8/2014)
Fall - $135 +18.25% tax, Buy 2 get 3rd free (9/2014)
Virginia
Dulles/Reston - Sheraton Herndon Dulles Airport:
Fall - $59 + tax, every weekend all Fall (2013)
Dulles/Reston - Sheraton Reston:
Fall - $64 + tax, every weekend in September incl. Thursdays (09/2013)
Central & South America
Lowest rates ever, by Starwood hotel
Jan 19, 2014, 7:04 pm
#46
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,018
Hi Flyertalk Forum,
I'm new to this forum, and was wondering if anyone knows of a good booking rate code to use for The Westin Resort and Casino, Aruba.
I tried a few SET numbers and the best rate I could come up with is ~ $320 per night from Feb 15 to Feb 19, 2014.
Thank you!
I'm new to this forum, and was wondering if anyone knows of a good booking rate code to use for The Westin Resort and Casino, Aruba.
I tried a few SET numbers and the best rate I could come up with is ~ $320 per night from Feb 15 to Feb 19, 2014.
Thank you!
Jan 30, 2014, 9:11 pm
#47
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,018
Also added the Westin Melbourne... the 20% off Mastercard rate is cancelable and offers lower rates than any other public rate at this property (good through Mar 31, 2014).
Jan 30, 2014, 10:17 pm
#48
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: SIN
Programs: SQ, UA, Delta, BMI(RIP), Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond (Thanks Amex) Hyatt Discov
Posts: 1,942
i've added the four points by sheraton jaipur to the wiki....my usual rate in the summer for the last 2 years is around $50 (tax inclusive) a night....in 2013 i often found rates for $43 a night....i also use this property for day stays quite often & most of the time i get a $32 rate....
Jan 31, 2014, 2:10 am
#49
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: India
Programs: Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, IHG Plat, HH Gold, Trident Plat, DL Diamond, AI Maharajah
Posts: 29,682
Mar 3, 2014, 3:19 pm
#50
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: LHR
Programs: AA EXP, SPG PLT
Posts: 584
Can any other properties beat this?
Mar 3, 2014, 8:17 pm
#51
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
Posts: 6,018
Mar 3, 2014, 8:26 pm
#52
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: YYC; YYZ
Programs: SPG Gold, Marriott Platinum, Hyatt Diamond, UA Silver
Posts: 231
Mar 4, 2014, 12:19 am
#53
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: West Coast, USA
Programs: Skywards Platinum
Posts: 3,747
Mar 4, 2014, 1:22 am
#54
Company Representative - Starwood
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Guangzhou
Programs: SPG
Posts: 1,021
Thank you for pointing this out.
I have contacted the hotel and confirmed that they do offer smoking room and non-smoking room.
Best Regards,
Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide
[email protected]
Last edited by Starwood Lurker III; Mar 4, 2014 at 3:57 am Reason: updated with information.
Mar 5, 2014, 5:08 am
#55
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: SE Asia
Posts: 1,274
Updated for Bali and Thailand
Jun 17, 2014, 10:36 am
#56
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
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Posts: 6,018
Added Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit's 3,999 ++ offer for June/July 2014 via Hot Escapes
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/luxury...4_LC_357_BK_AP
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/luxury...4_LC_357_BK_AP
Jul 30, 2014, 11:54 am
#57
Join Date: Jul 2013
Programs: SPG Gold/HH Diamond/CC Gold/Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 310
Updated W San Francisco. $151 + Tax through SPG Hot Escapes in August 2014.
Jul 30, 2014, 12:22 pm
#58
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Unknown but I call NC, USA home
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, Delta Gold, UA Gold, AA Gold
Posts: 74
And if you want to spend 1500 starpoints, the rate goes from 24usd to only 30usd... lol
Jul 31, 2014, 11:54 am
#59
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Aug 2, 2014, 6:46 am
#60
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 139
I just booked the Westin Madrid Palace for 159 Euros/night + tax at the end of August using Hot Escapes SPG Member Rate.
Thanks TravelinSperry and Pricesquire for the thread and hotel quote that got me comfortable booking a non-refundable rate. Usually my commitment issues keep me from going pre-paid.
Thanks TravelinSperry and Pricesquire for the thread and hotel quote that got me comfortable booking a non-refundable rate. Usually my commitment issues keep me from going pre-paid.