*A will lose three members in the next 12 months -- SA, TG & AI
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Only SA is going in that direction with some certainty at the moment. If you have to include TG and AI, you might as well include all members as no one can survice without government aid.
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The drumbeat continues...
1. AI: No bidder again for AI at auction deadline. Deadline extended for the 3rd time...
2. LH: Lufthansa now threatening to declare bankruptcy as they play hardball with govt on bailout...
1. AI: No bidder again for AI at auction deadline. Deadline extended for the 3rd time...
2. LH: Lufthansa now threatening to declare bankruptcy as they play hardball with govt on bailout...
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Will be interesting to see how it is treated by *A. I suppose if they operate under the same AOC then *A wouldn't necessarily have to boot them. But if they completely shut it down and star over then certainly *A will terminate the membership the same day as has happened with other operators in recent history when they ended operations.
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AOC doesn't matter, the *A is not an aviation authority. Its all about who will honor a commercial multilateral agreement that another commercial entity (old SAA) signed. If old SAA is liquidated, they will most probably also default on the agreement(s) signed with others so as to get out of the liabilities.
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AOC doesn't matter, the *A is not an aviation authority. Its all about who will honor a commercial multilateral agreement that another commercial entity (old SAA) signed. If old SAA is liquidated, they will most probably also default on the agreement(s) signed with others so as to get out of the liabilities.
In the case of both Adria and AirBerlin, I thought it was really unfortunate. It would have been nice to see a last minute investor come in and provide a rescue, but without the alliance then both airlines were suddenly worth significantly less. I think all the big 3 alliances should provide a grace period to find a suitor to bring the airlines back if they go under before booting them. 30-60 days perhaps. It's hard enough to get new members as it is, so for God's sake, let's extend every branch we can to keep current members in difficult times.
Adria Airways Leaves Star Alliance
Slovenian airline Adria Airways, headquartered in Ljubljana, has ceased to be a member of Star Alliance effective 02 October 2019.The departure of Adria Airways from Star Alliance follows the company’s recent bankruptcy developments and cessation of all flight operations as of 30 September.
This has been a regrettable development following 15 years of Adria Airways’ membership in Star Alliance.
Star Alliance members Lufthansa, Brussels Airlines and SWISS have announced additional routes and frequencies to Ljubljana.
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I imagine if SA was liquidated, their membership would also terminate by default. If a new airline was born, it would need to re-apply for membership and the Star board would need to vote again.
Of course no airline has in the history of alliances entered into insolvency and restructured to remain in the alliance. Chapter 11 is special and doesn't count.
Of course no airline has in the history of alliances entered into insolvency and restructured to remain in the alliance. Chapter 11 is special and doesn't count.
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I imagine if SA was liquidated, their membership would also terminate by default. If a new airline was born, it would need to re-apply for membership and the Star board would need to vote again.
Of course no airline has in the history of alliances entered into insolvency and restructured to remain in the alliance. Chapter 11 is special and doesn't count.
Of course no airline has in the history of alliances entered into insolvency and restructured to remain in the alliance. Chapter 11 is special and doesn't count.
Avianca? Seriously? Everyone I know in Peru, at least, says the same about LATAM and to fly Avianca whenever possible, not speaking only domestic routes, AV Peru also had an extensive international network. Really sad though from Peru was Trans American then TACA. Avianca absorbed all the TACA airlines and then shït on them solidly now. Precisely why these mega trans-national airlines should not exist.
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Same thing came up in the OneWorld thread. I frankly don't see why they should rush into joining any of the alliances. It's an expense they don't need if they keep focus on the core business. Italy does not NEED an airline reaching every corner of the globe, they need a regional airline keeping them connected with Europe and other key destinations nearby (DXB, TLV, TUN, maybe CAI and CMN). Set up codeshares, and let AF, KL, OS, LX, LH, BA, IB, AY, etc. carry Italians further afield for the time being until they can establish themselves as a viable business again.
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SQ and TG are the last major long haul airlines left in SE Asia since VN, GA and MH have downsized longhaul flying...if they go to regional only there won't be a long haul carrier for the region.