kawoh

I'm very close to booking this over the Labor Day long w/end in NSW, any one else interested in this MR?? It's crazy but it means plenty of miles and retaining status.

Anyone know what the odds are of an op upgrade if you're a SEN on these legs?

Fri 3 Oct (leave work around 1245pm, arrive airport 1330, should be ok?) SYD-LAX UA816 1445-1110

Fri 3 Oct LAX-MUC LH453 1625-1245+1 (Sat) [sightseeing in Munich for 3-4 hours?]

Sat 4 Oct MUC-LHR LH4558 1930-2030 [spend the night in London]

Sun 5 Oct LHR-FRA LH4501 630-905 [need to get up very early for this flight]

Sun 5 Oct FRA-SFO LH454 1000-1210 [does the LHR departure leave me enough time to connect in 55 min in FRA? I think it should be fine as Ill only have carryon (nothing checked in) and will probably get my BP in LHR]

Sun 5 Oct SFO-SYD UA863 2250-610+2 [have the full day in SFO, then back to Sydney in the evening, back into Sydney on Tuesday morning 610am, straight into work]

Best things: Cheap fare A$1519 (US$970) plus taxes - equates to approx A$0.054c per mile or US$0.034 per mile. (If you are SEN at 25% bonus, UA 1K 100% on the UA segments?, MX 50% on all flights)
Status miles: nearly 30,000
Leave: well i don't take any as I take advantage of the public holiday

Anybody hair brained enough to join me for the run??

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ACORD

Holy Smokes! That's one hell of a MR. Good luck to you if this ends up being all in Y!

ozstamps

1K and Premier Executive both get 100% bonus on all UA segments - about 15,000 miles or those of half the itin. Fax UA 3 flyer statements by August 15 in your name of any or no activity and you get 9000 STATUS miles as well added to this.

ONE 'sweet spot' each way will upgrade it all btw if LH has same day availability and for a SEN or 1K chances of that are pretty good I imagine.

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goodo

Not only that, but the 100% 1K & 1P mileage bonuses are also valid on transatlantic Lufthansa flights between U.S.and Europe (from ual.com), whihc means double miles for 96.4% of the trip! (according to great circle).

goodo

ozstamps

RichardMEL

hmm about the sweetspot bit, i'm not so sure it would work for *both* LH and UA sectors on the same day. I'd think you'd have to surrender one for standby on the LH, and hand in one for the UA sectors. Luckily the vanilla 2003 (restricted) UA SWU's would do fine for the LH legs in Q class IIRC and thus you could save the sweetspots for the UA flights only.

Incidently there's a "flights may not be upgraded" comment in the rules for the AP/AP fare, but that may just be via dollar means rather than SWU/mileage instruments.

Goodo - sorry to report that that Y fare doesn't have the extra addon's for middle east like the C/F one does (bozos!). I thought it did, but I've just reviewed the rules and it's not part of it. You could possibly use a Star Alliance european pass in conj with the LH ticket to get there, but I'm not 100% if that would get you to TLV. The other option is to take LH to the closest place you can get, then try for a cheap add on fare on LY or some other carrier to get to the middle east. Extra cost I know, but you still save heaps to get to europe over a oz->TLV fare.

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RichardMEL, UA 1K
A Star Alliance Member.

goodo

Thanks RichardMEL for the info. I don't think I'll be able to book this for a while anyway, so will probably miss out on the fare. Will probably end up tossing up between the Starlite RTW at 2299, or if the extra 8000 miles are important enough, the 2789 Star 29k miles RTW.

goodo

RichardMEL

No worries Goodo I'll keep my eyes peeled for you

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RichardMEL, UA 1K
A Star Alliance Member.

goodo

Thanks RichardMEL. Enjoy your trip kawoh .

goodo

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Sydfly

kawoh, I'm just about to get my trip ticketed as well. I was asking LH about etix as this should be possible now on a UA/LH only fare according the LH website. But so far I've been told "no way". Have you inquired about electronic ticketing at all? If so, I would like to know what the reply was.

Regarding your upgrade question. I never received on OP upgrade as a SEN on a LH flight even though one flight I was one lately was completely full in Y. Maybe I was just not amongst the lucky ones so far...

ozstamps

Noticed www.travel.com.au now has this fare at $A1543.

Also for interest their fare rules are at:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S60321BB5

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goodo

Oz, the link redirects to the front page.

goodo

kawoh

FYI - they may have pulled the offer on travel.com.au, can't find it on the latest specials page.

I understand this US both ways fare on UA, expires 30 Sept 03... so about a month to go...

ozstamps

Nope.

I found it simply by asking for fares SYD-FRA in September - it was about the best looking fare there, ESPECIALLY given the mileage possible.

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AUD1543

Lufthansa Airlines
United Airlines
Depart from - 29-09-03
Depart to - 13-11-03
Min. stay - 0 day(s)
Max. stay - 3 month(s)

Read Rules :

*How's this for S U P E R VALUE !....Your choice of destination from over 70 Lufthansa Europe cities- AND traveling with United Airlines between Australia and Los Angeles/or San Francisco. But hurry as seats are limited and some flight/routing restrictions apply.....Call/e-mail one of our Friendly Travel Advisors now.

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That ENORMOUS long link was to the exact rules page but the idiots do not allow you to get back to same spot using it.

ozstamps

LHUAEUAU13MQ/AP-EUR:LH/UA 3MTH'QAX'RT-AP/AP-SYD MEL

Airline Lufthansa Airlines / United Airlines
Fare Source:


Season: 29-09-03 - 13-11-03

Expires: 29-09-03

From Cities: SYDNEY MELBOURNE

To Cities: MALAGA AMSTERDAM ANKARA ATHENS BAKU BARCELONA BELGRADE BERLIN BIRMINGHAM UK BILBAO BOLOGNA BORDEAUX BREMEN BRUSSELS BASLE BUDAPEST BUCHAREST COLOGNE COPENHAGEN CATANIA DRESDEN DUBLIN DUSSELDORF EDINBURGH FARO FLORENCE FRANKFURT GOTHENBERG GRAZ GENEVA HANNOVER HAMBURG HELSINKI KIEV ISTANBUL IZMIR KRAKOW KATOWICE ST PETERSBURG LEIPZIG LISBON LONDON LYON MADRID MANCHESTER MILAN MALTA MOSCOW MARSEILLE MINSK MUNICH NAPLES NICE NUREMBURG PORTO PARIS PALMA MALLORCA PRAGUE RIGA ROME SARAJEVO SKOPJE SOFIA STOCKHOLM STUTTGART STAVANGER TOLOUSE TURIN VENICE VIENNA VILINIUS WARSAW ZAGREB ZURICH

Fares Updated 01 AUGUST 2003(SM)

Validity MINIMUM: NIL MAXIMUM: 3 MONTH
DEPARTURES TO 30NOV03 (SEASONAL) - B U T
*** A L L PAYMENT/TICKETING BY 29 SEPTEMBER 2003.

Class ECONOMY: Q (LH - BETWEEN LAX AND FRA/MUC EUROPE O R
BETWEEN SFO AND MUC/EUROPE O N L Y)
ECONOMY: Q (UA - BETWEEN SYD/MEL AND LAX O R
BETWEEN SYD/MEL AND SFO);
* SEAT CAPACITY LIMITATIONS MAY APPLY TO THIS FARE.
* LH OPERATED SERVICES -
A)BETWEEN LAX AND FRA/MUC AND EUR DESTINATION; 0 R
B)BETWEEN SFO AND MUC ONLY AND EUR DESTINATION -
TRAVEL IS N O T PERMITTED BETWEEN SFO AND FRA;
* UA OPERATED SERVICES -
A)BETWEEN SYD/MEL AND LAX; O R
B)BETWEEN SYD/MEL AND SFO;
* NOTE-CODESHARE:
N O T PERMITTED ON ANY LH OR UA SECTORS - A L L
FLTS M U S T BE LH/UA OPERATED.
* NOTE-ROUTINGS:
VALID AP/AP (VIA LAX*/SFO*) O N L Y -
SYD/MEL-UA-LAX-LH-FRA/OR MUC-LH-EUR AND V.V.; O R
SYD/MEL-UA-SFO-LH-MUC(ONLY)-LH-EUR AND V.V.;
* NOTE-SURFACE TRAVEL:
A)WITHIN USA PERMITTED AT PSGR EXPENSE BETWEEN
LAX/SFO AND EITHER -
ATL/BOS/DFW/HOU/NYC/PDX/PHL/OR PHX;
B)WITHIN EUR PERMITTED AT PSGR EXPENSE BETWEEN
ANY LH SPECIFIED DESTINATION AND FRA/MUC;
* NOTE-CLASS UPGRADES: N O T PERMITTED.

Child 75% (2 - 11 YEARS) NO UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN

Infant 10% (UNDER 2 YEARS)

Stopovers A)PERMITTED AT LOS ANGELES OR SAN FRANCISCO (OR BY
SURFACE WITHIN USA* AT PASSENGER EXPENSE) IN BOTH
DIRECTIONS;
B)ALSO PERMITTED -
AT FRANKFURT/OR MUNICH (TO/FROM LOS ANGELES); O R
AT MUNICH (TO/FROM SAN FRANCISCO).
* ALL STOPOVERS MUST BE TAKEN AT SPECIFIED TRANSFER
POINTS.

Notes * THIS IS THE LUFTHANSA AIRLINES 'SPECIAL VIA USA'
('QAX3M') N E T FARE TO SPECIFIED CITES IN
EUROPE.
* A L L TRAVEL M U S T BE VIA THE USA (AP/AP) IN
B O T H DIRECTIONS.
* SPECIFIED ROUTINGS APPLY TO THIS FARE -
A)VALID ON UNITED AIRLINES OPERATED SERVICES
FROM SYDNEY/OR MELBOURNE TO/FROM LOS ANGELES/OR
SAN FRANCISCO;
B)VALID ON LUFTHANSA AIRLINES OPERATED SERVICES
FROM LOS ANGELES TO FRANKFURT/OR MUNICH AND
EUROPE DESTINATION; O R
FROM SAN FRANCISCO TO MUNICH ONLY AND EUROPE
DESTINATION (TRAVEL IS N O T PERMITTED
BETWEEN SAN FRANCISCO AND FRANKFURT).
* CODESHARE FLIGHTS ARE N O T PERMITTED ON ANY
LUFTHANSA OR UNITED AIRLINES SECTORS - A L L
FLIGHTS M U S T BE LUFTHANSA/UNITED AIRLINES
OPERATED AIRCRAFT.
* SURFACE TRAVEL WITHIN USA IS PERMITTED AT
PASSENGER'S OWN EXPENSE BETWEEN LOS ANGELES/OR
SAN FRANCISCO AND EITHER - ATLANTA/BOSTON/DALLAS/
HOUSTON/NEW YORK/PORTLAND/PHILADELPHIA/OR
PHOENIX TO CONNECT WITH LUFTHANSA OPERATED FLIGHTS
TO/FROM FRANKFURT OR MUNICH.
1.THIS FARE ALLOWS FRANKFURT/OR MUNICH PLUS -
T W O FLIGHT COUPONS BETWEEN FRANKFURT/OR MUNICH
AND EUROPEAN CITIES - I N C L U S I V E OF THE
DESTINATION.
A TOTAL OF S I X FLIGHT COUPONS O N L Y ARE
PERMITTED. ADDITIONAL COUPONS FOR TRAVEL WITHIN
EUROPE ON LUFTHANSA SERVICES ARE N O T PERMITTED
2.NO PASSENGER LAYOVER EXPENSES ABSORBED.
3.EUROPEN DESTINATIONS SHOWN ARE A GUIDE ONLY AND
MAY VARY WITHOUT NOTICE. SOME DESTINATIONS MAY BE
SEASONAL.
* A L L FARES/RULES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT
NOTICE.

Payment/ticket *** A L L PAYMENT/TICKETING BY 29 SEPTEMBER 2003
* AIRLINE ISSUE - PLEASE ALLOW SUFFICIENT TIME.
1)LH TICKET STOCK O N L Y WILL BE ISSUED.
2)ENDORSEMENT: NON ENDORSABLE.GGAIRLHSYDINFO.


Tax COLLECT ALL TAXES/CHARGES/FEES/LEVIES/SURCHARGES IN
ADDITION TO THE FARE.


Cancellation BEFORE DEPARTURE: AUD200 PER TICKET (PLUS GST).
AFTER DEPARTURE: FARE WILL BE REASSESSED ACCORDING
TO THE PORTION FLOWN AND THE DIFFERENCE (IF ANY)
WILL BE REFUNDED LESS AUD200 PENALTY.


Changes AFTER TICKETING - ANY CHANGES INVOLVING REISSUE OF
THE TICKET IS N O T PERMITTED.


Waitlist ALL SECTORS MUST BE CONFIRMED BEFORE TICKETING -
OPEN DATE/WAITLIST SECTORS NOT PERMITTED.


Routings * VALID LH/UA OPERATED SERVICES VIA THE USA (AP/AP)
SYD/MEL-UA-LAX-LH-FRA/OR MUC-LH-EUROPE AND V.V.;
O R -
SYD/MEL-UA-SFO-LH-MUC(ONLY)-LH-EUROPE AND V.V.;
NOTE:
A)MAXIMUM OF S I X (6) FLT COUPONS PERMITTED
FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY;
B)TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND MUC ONLY IS PERMITTED
(I.E.: N O T BETWEEN SFO AND FRA).
1.CODESHARE: N O T PERMITTED ON ANY LH OR UA
SECTORS - A L L FLTS M U S T BE LH/UA
OPERATED.
2.SURFACE TRAVEL:
A)WITHIN USA PERMITTED AT PSGR EXPENSE BETWEEN
LAX/SFO AND EITHER -
ATL/BOS/DFW/HOU/NYC/PDX/PHL/OR PHX;
B)WITHIN EUR PERMITTED AT PSGR EXPENSE BETWEEN
ANY LH SPECIFIED DESTINATION AND FRA/MUC;
3.OPEN JAW AT ORIGIN AND DESTINATION POINTS.
4.MAXIMUM 2 LH FLT CPNS (RT) PERMITTED IN EUR
BETWEEN FRA/OR MUC AND DESTINATION.
NOTE: NO ADDITIONAL CPNS MAY BE PURCHASED.
5.AUSTRALIAN DOMESTIC SECTORS N O T PERMITTED.
6.TRANSFERS:
A)PERMITTED BETWEEN UA/LH AT LAX/OR SFO IN EACH
DIRECTION ONLY;
B)ONE LH ONLINE TRANSFER PERMITTED AT FRA/OR
MUC IN EACH DIRECTIOM.
*NOTE - TRAVEL TO THE FOLLOWING DESTINATIONS WILL
BE PERMITTED AT THE FARE LEVEL I F VIA MUC
O N L Y AND I F FOR POINT TO POINT TRAVEL
O N L Y : ANK/BEG/BOD/CTA/IZM/NAP/SJJ;
THESE CITIES ARE SERVED ONLY FROM MUC.
(E.G: SYD-LAX-MUC-BEG-MUC-SFO-SYD)
(PLEASE REFER TO LH-CITIES SUBJECT TO CHANGE
WITHOUT NOTICE).

Via AP/AP: LAX SFO* FRA MUC

Combinations NOT PERMITTED.