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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by RTW1
Thanks Andy,

I've looked into the Oneworld RTW. But found that my selections for the US segments were very limited... there is no way to travel directly between cities on the west coast and once I got to LIH there is no way to get to SYD/AKL except via LAX, and that is not allowed.

A shame since Oneworld seems perfect for including that Cuba visit, but it then excludes any US destination.
This has led me to the conclusion that *A is better for visiting my primary destinations (US/NZ) than Oneworld. Allthough I like that there is no restriction on miles.
Both SFO-HNL and LAX-HNL are available on AA. Once in HNL return tickets between HNL-LIH are available for around 100 EUR purchased separately.

HNL-SYD is available direct with Qantas (some days of the week). And from SYD-AKL and AKL-HKG and onward to your Asia travel with CX for example.

You can get nice fully lie-flat seats in Business on several of the long-haul the routes.
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 5:28 am
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With Oneworld I also could do LAX-LIH-(surface)HNL-SYD, then I would only have to use one local flight LIH-HNL (who needs more short flights on such an itinerary). But the problem is that in the booking tool I can"t find any availability for direct flights in the period I need them (around Oct 15th). I can only find flights through LAX (not allowed) and NRT... So this won't work.

In combination with the rather complicated route within the US (no direct SFO-LAX) so I gues Oneworld won't particularly work for me...
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Old Jul 16, 2010 | 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by RTW1
With Oneworld I also could do LAX-LIH-(surface)HNL-SYD, then I would only have to use one local flight LIH-HNL (who needs more short flights on such an itinerary). But the problem is that in the booking tool I can"t find any availability for direct flights in the period I need them (around Oct 15th). I can only find flights through LAX (not allowed) and NRT... So this won't work.

In combination with the rather complicated route within the US (no direct SFO-LAX) so I gues Oneworld won't particularly work for me...
Without trying to push you into changing alliance for the trip you are planning - just to be fair re. SFO-LAX:

AFAIK there are several daily direct flights between SFO-LAX on AA?

(btw QF4 HNL-SYD has plenty of avalability on October 20 for instance in D Business Class according to Expertflyer.)
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Old Jul 17, 2010 | 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by RTW1
I was expecting a better flight in A380, it might not be the seats but the overall experience like the reduced noise level.

Do you prefer the A380 over an 777-200ER? Or is it more of the same?
I prefer almost any aircraft over a 777 as it feels like a dorm and is one of the noisiest planes IMHO. And yes, the A380 is much quieter and also has the benefit of the higher cabin pressure.
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by SEAndy
Without trying to push you into changing alliance for the trip you are planning - just to be fair re. SFO-LAX:
AFAIK there are several daily direct flights between SFO-LAX on AA?
(btw QF4 HNL-SYD has plenty of avalability on October 20 for instance in D Business Class according to Expertflyer.)
No problem :-), I am looking for alternatives....
But after playing with the Oneworld booking tool, I can't really make it work.

My schedule really needs a flight from HNL-SYD/AKL around Oct 15th, Oct 20th is rather late. I figured I could get around this by flying to NRT first, and then to AU/NZ. But this makes it impossible to get home again (twice to the continent).

Also flying via AU to NZ (in and out) is not really what I would prefer.
And to make matters worse, the pricing is also higher (EUR 7400 vc EUR 6700) than *A. On top of that I would get a lot more connections instead of direct flights.

It might be me, but it just doesn't seems as good for US (including Hawaii) / NZ / JP from europe as *A. If I would have planned more cities in AU it would probably change.
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Old Jul 18, 2010 | 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
I prefer almost any aircraft over a 777 as it feels like a dorm and is one of the noisiest planes IMHO. And yes, the A380 is much quieter and also has the benefit of the higher cabin pressure.
After some more thought I think I'm reaching a final route. The first part would remain almost the same:

DUS – (ZRH) – SFO LIH – (surface to HNL) – AKL

After reading that LX is flying from ZRH-SFO with A340-300's with new seats, I think I would prefer this over LH or UA (through FRA). Even thought this is only a day flight.
The second part is changed:

AKL – (NRT)- KIX (for a week in Osaka, possibly more) and then PVG - PEK - (FRA) - DUS
or PVG - SIN - (MUC) - DUS
The first choice would get me an LH A380 from PEK-FRA and the second an SQ 77W from SIN-MUC (without a surcharge). Both Beijing or Singapore would be good to finish with, allthough Beijing might probably be more interesting. PVG might get cancelled in both options since I feel it could be one city too much...

This itinerary would, as I understand it now, give me some C flights that are better than standard on the long-haul routes ZRH-SFO, AKL-NRT and PEK-FRA/SIN-MUC.

And it also gives me the option of booking a separate NZ flight from AKL to SYD or RAR. Especially the flights to SYD are cheap, and they have some nice holiday packages for RAR.

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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 9:50 am
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Looks good. But SIN-MUC is a USD 500 surcharge on SQ so why do you think there is none?

EDIT: In some old rules this city pair was not listed, however the most current rules unfortunately have it in. They even want USD 300 for MAN-MUC!
Another reason to boycott SQ.
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by DownUnderFlyer
Looks good. But SIN-MUC is a USD 500 surcharge on SQ so why do you think there is none?

EDIT: In some old rules this city pair was not listed, however the most current rules unfortunately have it in. They even want USD 300 for MAN-MUC!
Another reason to boycott SQ.
The strange thing is that both these routes aren't mentioned (with a surcharge) on the *A website, and the book and fly tools gives no surcharge for these routes?

The tabel they use for SQ:
Singapore and San Francisco / Houston - 600 USD
Singapore and Los Angeles / New York - 900 USD
Seoul and San Francisco - 500 USD
Hong Kong and San Francisco - 500 USD
Moscow and Houston - 500 USD
Singapore and Paris / Milan / Barcelona / Zurich / Frankfurt / London / Moscow - 500 USD
Singapore and Delhi / Mumbai - 300 USD
Singapore and Hong Kong / Beijing - 300 USD
Singapore and Tokyo / Seoul - 300 USD
Singapore and Auckland / Melbourne / Sydney - 400 USD

But I think you're completely right, not a good deal.

I also saw the price of the *A RTW ticket go up with about EUR 400 for Business / 29000mi at the start of July, with no advanced notification on the website.... so paying another surcharge is not really what I'm after :-).
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Old Aug 3, 2010 | 4:37 am
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Route is booked

The route has been booked via the *A Book and Fly tool and changed allready (an easy change using the LH callcenter). It should now be final.

I made some changes to the first planned route. I now will be flying:
DUS-(ZRH)-SFO-LIH-(HNL)-AKL-RAR-(AKL)-NRT-(KIX)-ICN-PEK-(FRA)-DUS

I've also decided to go for Business class, so I guess I will be joining M&M for this trip as well. Should result in Frequent Traveller status after this trip.
I look forward to the LX A343 flight to SFO and some good 772 flights from NZ. And my first A380 from PEK :-).

Thanks for the comments on my earlier route.

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Old Aug 3, 2010 | 2:23 pm
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Enjoy your trip!

Great to see members help one another with their knowledge in threads like these!
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