Southwest closing Newark.
Jul 26, 2019, 6:07 pm
#46
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HOU-EWR was my preferred way of going to New York back when that route was still around. Ever since they dropped that I have gone via LGA and while the terminal has improved significantly in the last year the ground transport to or from LGA is still a massive pain the rear.
Jul 26, 2019, 7:05 pm
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Jul 26, 2019, 9:51 pm
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It’s not that easy. Everyone else who has MAX’s needs planes, plus leasing for 6 months isn’t exactly normal.
Jul 26, 2019, 9:53 pm
#51
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Jul 27, 2019, 12:43 am
#52
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Smart, it's a pit and too congested. Doesn't work with WN's quick turnaround operations. Should also abandon LAX, SFO - redeploy planes to secondary airports. Back to the future.
Jul 27, 2019, 12:50 am
#53
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Could, won't. In fact they're losing a bunch of 700s to United soon.
From Airliners.net:
Well folks truth is stranger than fiction. United Airlines is taking from WN 19 ex Air Tran 700 aircraft with deliveries starting end of this year. United outbid SWA for these GECAS 05-06 builds. Gary cut the deal before the MAX grounding; but can you imagine the PR nightmare that will ensue as SWA has to cut even more flights as these aircraft go to UAL. I am sure that Gary figured he could get MAX’s to replace them and that is even more true now as Boeing will be having a fire sale on MAX’s that carriers now do not want. But the longer the grounding goes the greater the risk. One thing is certain and that is that Gary has doubled down on the MAX.
All WNs eggs are in the MAX basket
Southwest currently has 276 aircraft on order. Every single one is a MAX (30 7's and 246 8's).
Jul 27, 2019, 9:48 am
#55
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As of last weekend, the taxi situation was still the same, with the annoying shuttle bus to the taxi queue. In our case it only added about 10 minutes, although I think we were lucky. Still annoying overall.
Jul 27, 2019, 10:15 am
#56
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AS shares the EWR satellite with WN, has significantly increased transcon service to most of their west coast focus cities over the past couple of years, could see them adding EWR-DAL. Wondering how much their presence influenced the subject decision.
B6 already has some EWR service, out of a different terminal. Their NYC hub is JFK.
B6 already has some EWR service, out of a different terminal. Their NYC hub is JFK.
B6 is in the same terminal (A), and the same concourse as WN (A1).
AS cancelled DAL-LGA due to poor performance. Don't see DAL-EWR or any AS midcon from the east coast. Their transcon is barely registering here on the east coast due to variety of issues not related to this thread.
Public transportation is the way to go at LGA. Q70-SBS to E train - can get you to Manhattan in less than 20 minutes at a cost of $2.75 or free.
Last edited by Repooc17; Jul 27, 2019 at 10:20 am
Jul 27, 2019, 11:34 am
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I am 100% pro public transit (don't even own a car at home) but I'd caution that this is a HUGE YMMV. 30 minutes might be possible on a good day but I have also done the Q70 and waited 20 minutes just for the bus, then gotten stuck in traffic (on a packed standing-room only bus) for another 20, then waited for the train for 10, then gotten stuck in the tunnel for 10, then finally made it to Manhattan 75 minutes later. Generally though it is still a much better value than a $45 cab ride. If we arrive at midnight I'm probably still going to take a cab though.
Jul 27, 2019, 1:59 pm
#58
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I am 100% pro public transit (don't even own a car at home) but I'd caution that this is a HUGE YMMV. 30 minutes might be possible on a good day but I have also done the Q70 and waited 20 minutes just for the bus, then gotten stuck in traffic (on a packed standing-room only bus) for another 20, then waited for the train for 10, then gotten stuck in the tunnel for 10, then finally made it to Manhattan 75 minutes later. Generally though it is still a much better value than a $45 cab ride. If we arrive at midnight I'm probably still going to take a cab though.
Jul 27, 2019, 3:26 pm
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There's still DFW-EWR covered by AA and UA, for those from the DFW metroplex that prefer to take a nonstop to EWR (heading to North/Central NJ, and/or those avoiding LGA or want rail based public transportation into their final destination in NYC). The best bet imo is if Spirit would add service which will keep AA and UA somewhat on check on fares into/out of EWR. If AS gives up a gate in DAL or leaves entirely, and Delta picks up one or two, maybe it'd offer service to NYC from DAL, although not EWR, but more likely LGA again, or JFK. A DAL-JFK would be more likely IMO over DAL-EWR, even though DAL-JFK is contingent on a scenario of Delta achieving more gates in DAL.
Last edited by beyondhere; Jul 27, 2019 at 3:32 pm
Jul 28, 2019, 2:28 am
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Half way between EWR and PHL (actually EWR is slightly closer) and usually I'm a Philly traveler but the nonstop to AUS and their low fares ($109-129 to AUS and dirt cheap to MCO $49 before they moved to Sat only) were what got me to use it. It certainly wasn't the great modern facility they flew out of. I can't wait for Terminal 1. Though if UA is able to gain the gates and fares rise, Terminal 1 may not even get me to EWR. If fares do rise, I can see it being a help to TTN especially with their new terminal coming in a few years.