Southwest closing Newark.
Jul 25, 19, 5:08 am
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Southwest closing Newark.
Jul 25, 19, 5:20 am
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The excuse is extremely lame.
Sure. MAX grounding can significantly impact operation. But closing a station?
Why not WN stop Hawaiian service instead?
Sure. MAX grounding can significantly impact operation. But closing a station?
Why not WN stop Hawaiian service instead?
Jul 25, 19, 5:29 am
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Jul 25, 19, 6:39 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
Why not WN stop Hawaiian service instead?
"While the lack of available aircraft, due to the MAX groundings, resulted in expansion delays to Hawaii, we are excited to resume growth plans next month with the first of several intended announcements. We will offer service to the Islands from both Sacramento and San Diego, as well as bring Southwest service to both Lihue, on Kauai, and Hilo, on the Island of Hawaii."
Jul 25, 19, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
Sure. MAX grounding can significantly impact operation. But closing a station?
In olden days WN focused on developing new / alternative markets in flood-the-zone fashion rather than throwing itself into the nation's biggest infrastructural messes. Going hard into MHT and PVD rather than BOS, for example, or exploiting MDW to the hilt while staying clear of ORD (a wise strategy they stick to today).
I expect EWR is more trouble than it's worth for Southwest. They can hang the pullout decision on the Max nightmare, but I think it's equally down to cost-benefit analysis and optimizing use of available resources.
Jul 25, 19, 7:22 am
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I don't think it's clear that they are closing EWR due to the MAX issue. The press release cites lower than expected profitability at EWR as the reason for the station closing. And they certainly don't make it sound like EWR will reopen if/when the MAX is cleared to return to service.
Jul 25, 19, 7:25 am
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The MAX and EWR are not related at all. People just conflated the two issues since WN mentioned both in relation to their earnings announcement. Will be interesting to see who gets those gates.
Jul 25, 19, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by sfozrhfco
The MAX and EWR are not related at all. People just conflated the two issues since WN mentioned both in relation to their earnings announcement. Will be interesting to see who gets those gates.
Jul 25, 19, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
While I mostly agree with that, I don't know if it is completely true. The closing date of November 3 is also the date which the MAX had been taken out of the schedules so far. Obviously the MAX isn't THE reason, but EWR may have held on for a little longer if not for the MAX issues.
Jul 25, 19, 8:47 am
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MAX - indirectly, maybe.
The top line goal is to make the most money from the resources (planes) it has. So, you focus on profitable routes and remove unprofitable routes. That of course includes competition, ease or difficulty in each market, etc. I am thinking the MAX situation has forced them to improve their analysis of markets and routes as they managed their changes due to less aircraft.
If EWR is a hassle to operate, then move on.
The top line goal is to make the most money from the resources (planes) it has. So, you focus on profitable routes and remove unprofitable routes. That of course includes competition, ease or difficulty in each market, etc. I am thinking the MAX situation has forced them to improve their analysis of markets and routes as they managed their changes due to less aircraft.
If EWR is a hassle to operate, then move on.
Jul 25, 19, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by sfozrhfco
Wrong. The max is out of the schedule through 2 January 2020. Hawaii is a bigger priority for the winter and closing EWR in November gives them the planes they need to ramp up HI when demand is at its peak.
https://www.southwest.com/html/air/7...737MAX8_190408
It will be taken out of the schedule through January 5. This was announced in the same press release as the closing of EWR.
Southwest Reports Record Second Quarter Revenues And Earnings Per Share ? Southwest Airlines
