Reaching status on Skyteam airlines (quick comparison)
May 20, 2006 | 2:39 am
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An important point for AZ: The minimum mileage given for international flights is 1200 miles (2400) in Business Class. As most such flights out of MXP (and many from FCO) are shorter than that, it can add up sharply -- especially for Italian residents.
May 20, 2006 | 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by Gargoyle
Yes, generally that's the case. One reason for adding it is that we get these threads every two weeks asking "how can I earn EQM's without flying", so this could head off a few of those recurrent threads. 
BTW, I'd suspect that there are a good number of us here who have established addresses and credit cards in more than one country.
BTW, I'd suspect that there are a good number of us here who have established addresses and credit cards in more than one country.
Originally Posted by Gnopps
Great comparison, thanks! Why don't you add in segments as well?
May 20, 2006 | 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Gargoyle
For example, with DL, if you spend $25k on a Delta Amex card you get 10K status miles.
Wow, I did not know this about the DL card. All carriers should concider this. I think it would be a big draw to get more members to sign up for their card.
May 25, 2006 | 5:38 pm
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AF/KL(Other) program seems best
I'm debating between worldperks, skymiles, or flying blue. Currently I am a member of Worldperks
My assessment is that it seems best to be a member of AF/KL (other) if I live in Chicago and want to fly sky team. I fly to India & Nigeria for business - 4 to 5 times a year - (my own small business - so the business class and full fare economy fares are too expensive) and KL/AF/AZ have the best fares to India plus I get 3 choices for flights with only one stop in Europe. I somehow always seem to miss platinum because 1) I have to fly oneworld or *alliance because I don't get a reservation on airline of choice, 2) I use a mileage ticket
This way I can get gold status and lounge access for only 40,000 miles.
Before skyteam - I was flying * Alliance, but I only have one flight I can use out of ORD to my destinations - LH and I can't believe that such a major European carrier does not have personal TV screens in economy
I wouldn't mind One world given that I sometimes need to stop in LHR, but I refuse to fly BA unless absolutely necessary given that they only give 25% miles on discounted tickets.
I can show addresses in the US, Nigeria, and India
Any thoughts?
My assessment is that it seems best to be a member of AF/KL (other) if I live in Chicago and want to fly sky team. I fly to India & Nigeria for business - 4 to 5 times a year - (my own small business - so the business class and full fare economy fares are too expensive) and KL/AF/AZ have the best fares to India plus I get 3 choices for flights with only one stop in Europe. I somehow always seem to miss platinum because 1) I have to fly oneworld or *alliance because I don't get a reservation on airline of choice, 2) I use a mileage ticket
This way I can get gold status and lounge access for only 40,000 miles.
Before skyteam - I was flying * Alliance, but I only have one flight I can use out of ORD to my destinations - LH and I can't believe that such a major European carrier does not have personal TV screens in economy
I wouldn't mind One world given that I sometimes need to stop in LHR, but I refuse to fly BA unless absolutely necessary given that they only give 25% miles on discounted tickets.
I can show addresses in the US, Nigeria, and India
Any thoughts?
May 25, 2006 | 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by sachino
I'm debating between worldperks, skymiles, or flying blue. Currently I am a member of Worldperks
My assessment is that it seems best to be a member of AF/KL (other) if I live in Chicago and want to fly sky team. I fly to India & Nigeria for business - 4 to 5 times a year - (my own small business - so the business class and full fare economy fares are too expensive) and KL/AF/AZ have the best fares to India plus I get 3 choices for flights with only one stop in Europe. I somehow always seem to miss platinum because 1) I have to fly oneworld or *alliance because I don't get a reservation on airline of choice, 2) I use a mileage ticket
This way I can get gold status and lounge access for only 40,000 miles.
Before skyteam - I was flying * Alliance, but I only have one flight I can use out of ORD to my destinations - LH and I can't believe that such a major European carrier does not have personal TV screens in economy
I wouldn't mind One world given that I sometimes need to stop in LHR, but I refuse to fly BA unless absolutely necessary given that they only give 25% miles on discounted tickets.
I can show addresses in the US, Nigeria, and India
Any thoughts?
My assessment is that it seems best to be a member of AF/KL (other) if I live in Chicago and want to fly sky team. I fly to India & Nigeria for business - 4 to 5 times a year - (my own small business - so the business class and full fare economy fares are too expensive) and KL/AF/AZ have the best fares to India plus I get 3 choices for flights with only one stop in Europe. I somehow always seem to miss platinum because 1) I have to fly oneworld or *alliance because I don't get a reservation on airline of choice, 2) I use a mileage ticket
This way I can get gold status and lounge access for only 40,000 miles.
Before skyteam - I was flying * Alliance, but I only have one flight I can use out of ORD to my destinations - LH and I can't believe that such a major European carrier does not have personal TV screens in economy
I wouldn't mind One world given that I sometimes need to stop in LHR, but I refuse to fly BA unless absolutely necessary given that they only give 25% miles on discounted tickets.
I can show addresses in the US, Nigeria, and India
Any thoughts?
KL/AF also have booking classes with 25% only: V-class on KL and L-class on AF.
AZ, CO, and DL flights will give you 100% mileage on FB.
I don't think you can beat the 40k Elite Plus, if your travel pattern can avoid the 25% fare classes.
May 26, 2006 | 10:46 am
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CO EQS on discounted Y is 0-1, depending on fare class and booking channel.
And, no EQS for CO when flying on DL, similar to the NW restriction that you noted.
CO also only offers 50-100% EQM on discounted tix in coach, depending on booking channel, and only 50% EQM on some fares on some carriers. I don't think that trying to include all that in here makes sense, as the list of fare classes and permutations is very complex/long. But it might be worth noting.
And, no EQS for CO when flying on DL, similar to the NW restriction that you noted.
CO also only offers 50-100% EQM on discounted tix in coach, depending on booking channel, and only 50% EQM on some fares on some carriers. I don't think that trying to include all that in here makes sense, as the list of fare classes and permutations is very complex/long. But it might be worth noting.
Last edited by sbm12; May 26, 2006 at 10:48 am Reason: add info re: 50% EQM
Jun 26, 2006 | 9:12 pm
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bump.
This thread should be a sticky.
Also, it would be good to add comparisons on how many miles it costs for comparable award tix: continental US, US-HNL, internal EU, TATL, EU-Asia.
This thread should be a sticky.
Also, it would be good to add comparisons on how many miles it costs for comparable award tix: continental US, US-HNL, internal EU, TATL, EU-Asia.
Last edited by Gargoyle; Jun 26, 2006 at 9:17 pm
Jul 15, 2006 | 9:29 am
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Alitalia gives you always 100 %, minimum 1'200 for international flights, even in the cheapest classes. Isn't that a good thing?
The disadvantage that I can see in Alitalia's program is that you cannot redeem your miles for first class flights with other carriers.
The disadvantage that I can see in Alitalia's program is that you cannot redeem your miles for first class flights with other carriers.
Jul 15, 2006 | 3:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Lech
Alitalia gives you always 100 %, minimum 1'200 for international flights, even in the cheapest classes. Isn't that a good thing?
The disadvantage that I can see in Alitalia's program is that you cannot redeem your miles for first class flights with other carriers.
The disadvantage that I can see in Alitalia's program is that you cannot redeem your miles for first class flights with other carriers.
Jul 22, 2006 | 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by kiwanryu
KE has very unique structures against other Skyteam carriers.
Once members reach either 500K or 1000K miles,
Morning Calm members can enjoy lifetime previleges without maintaining requirements.
On the other hand, KE does not offer any elite bonus mileages.
1.Morning Calm (Skyteam Elite)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------1. Obtaining eligibility for the Morning Calm Club membership
After gaining SKYPASS membership, if you meet any one of the following conditions you will be eligible for Morning Calm Club membership, valid for two years.
Earned more than 50,000 miles on Korean Air flights
Traveled with Korean Air flights more than forty times*
Earned a total of 50,000 miles (more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air flights and the rest of the miles on Korean Air partners)
2. Maintaining Morning Calm Club membership
Morning Calm Club membership is valid for two years. During those two years if you meet any one of the following conditions, your membership will be automatically renewed for a further two years.
Earned more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air flights while the two-year membership is valid
Traveled with Korean Air flights more than twenty times* while the two-year membership is valid
While the two-year membership is valid, if you have earned more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air and partners (on condition that you have earned more than 20,000 miles on Korean Air flights or traveled with Korean Air flights more than fifteen times*), your Morning Calm Club membership will also be automatically renewed for a further two years.
(This condition temporary applies to the members who have Morning Calm Club membership expiring between March 2006 and December 2008.)
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2.Morning Calm Premium (Skyteam Elite Plus)
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Morning Calm Premium Club Qualification
Members who have accumulated between 500,000 and 999,999 miles in their SKYPASS accounts by flying on Korean Air or our SkyTeam airline partners (AeroMexico, Air France, Alitalia, Continental Airlines, Czech Airlines, Delta Airlines, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines and Northwest Airlines) qualify for Morning Calm Premium Club membership.
(Miles earned from non-airline partners or from promotional offers are not counted toward Morning Calm Premium Club mileage qualifications
3.Million Miler (Skyteam Elite Plus)
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Million Miler Club Qualification
Members who have accumulated more than 1,000,000 miles in their SKYPASS accounts by flying on Korean Air or our SkyTeam airline partners become lifetime members of our exclusive Million Miler Club.
(Miles earned from non-airline partners or from promotional offers are not counted toward Million Miler Club mileage qualifications)
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Once members reach either 500K or 1000K miles,
Morning Calm members can enjoy lifetime previleges without maintaining requirements.
On the other hand, KE does not offer any elite bonus mileages.
1.Morning Calm (Skyteam Elite)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------1. Obtaining eligibility for the Morning Calm Club membership
After gaining SKYPASS membership, if you meet any one of the following conditions you will be eligible for Morning Calm Club membership, valid for two years.
Earned more than 50,000 miles on Korean Air flights
Traveled with Korean Air flights more than forty times*
Earned a total of 50,000 miles (more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air flights and the rest of the miles on Korean Air partners)
2. Maintaining Morning Calm Club membership
Morning Calm Club membership is valid for two years. During those two years if you meet any one of the following conditions, your membership will be automatically renewed for a further two years.
Earned more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air flights while the two-year membership is valid
Traveled with Korean Air flights more than twenty times* while the two-year membership is valid
While the two-year membership is valid, if you have earned more than 30,000 miles on Korean Air and partners (on condition that you have earned more than 20,000 miles on Korean Air flights or traveled with Korean Air flights more than fifteen times*), your Morning Calm Club membership will also be automatically renewed for a further two years.
(This condition temporary applies to the members who have Morning Calm Club membership expiring between March 2006 and December 2008.)
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2.Morning Calm Premium (Skyteam Elite Plus)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning Calm Premium Club Qualification
Members who have accumulated between 500,000 and 999,999 miles in their SKYPASS accounts by flying on Korean Air or our SkyTeam airline partners (AeroMexico, Air France, Alitalia, Continental Airlines, Czech Airlines, Delta Airlines, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines and Northwest Airlines) qualify for Morning Calm Premium Club membership.
(Miles earned from non-airline partners or from promotional offers are not counted toward Morning Calm Premium Club mileage qualifications
3.Million Miler (Skyteam Elite Plus)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Million Miler Club Qualification
Members who have accumulated more than 1,000,000 miles in their SKYPASS accounts by flying on Korean Air or our SkyTeam airline partners become lifetime members of our exclusive Million Miler Club.
(Miles earned from non-airline partners or from promotional offers are not counted toward Million Miler Club mileage qualifications)
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Jul 26, 2006 | 9:03 am
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ST E+ with domestic upgrades on one airline, complimentary System Wide Upgrades and lounge access are the main factor for me to choose a program. So far I have been with DL but I am looking at switching. Taking a European based program to get lounge access within the US would be good. But I want to keep top status on one US airline.
I do fly moderately within the US on discounted tickets and sometime in A/F on int'l tickets and have been doing C int'l tickets lately.
The above chart makes me think I should switch to CO, because I have an address in the EU and thus I would qualify faster with my C int'l tickets and once I qualify on CO, I should switch to OK which also has 200% credit on C fares and only requires 50k miles to have ST E+.
Any thoughts, advise?
I do fly moderately within the US on discounted tickets and sometime in A/F on int'l tickets and have been doing C int'l tickets lately.
The above chart makes me think I should switch to CO, because I have an address in the EU and thus I would qualify faster with my C int'l tickets and once I qualify on CO, I should switch to OK which also has 200% credit on C fares and only requires 50k miles to have ST E+.
Any thoughts, advise?
Jul 26, 2006 | 9:11 am
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Maybe I concluded a bit too fast. On the French CO website, it mentions the 200% accrual rate in C on CO for European residents, but it only shows 150% in C on the partner airlines. Is this an omission, or the 200% is only on CO?
Jul 31, 2006 | 6:23 am
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Originally Posted by DeltaFlyingProf
ST E+ with domestic upgrades on one airline, complimentary System Wide Upgrades and lounge access are the main factor for me to choose a program. So far I have been with DL but I am looking at switching.
Any thoughts, advise?