china eastern airlines will join in ST
Jan 16, 2010 | 12:38 am
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Make that almost no airline. Rumor has it that last year KLM did something to piss off the Shanghai Airport Authority (state owned) and have since had recurring problems and delays at PVG (i can confirm the delays are true).
Jan 16, 2010 | 1:03 am
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I am completely agree with you. MU will have been banned the licenses for years. So unfortunately, the bad situation for MU will eventually to be suspended service. It should have try to get better improvement on-time performance. It will get better standard and more quality time to get better service.
Jan 16, 2010 | 6:38 am
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I've flown them a lot, but personally never fly Chinese carriers in anything less than J or F. Ido find them worst than Air China or CZ, equal to Hainan, and better then pretty much every other Chinese carrier. In other words, they are okay.
Jan 17, 2010 | 6:36 am
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I don't understand all these bad reported feelings about domestic chinese flights. I could be true some years ago, especially FM. But nowadays, not at all.
Don't mix airports organisation which are complicated enough, due to sometimes staffs non professional behaviour, and also chinese people behaviour (sometimes .. ok ...forget it) and the comfort and staff in the planes.
In Y , really I don't know. (to crowded, with nightmares queues, sorry) but in F (finally only 2 times Y fares)
I never had any problem : AC, FM, MU, CZ. Chinese style for sure, but if one are there, we don't expect SQ or MH styles. 99% of my flights were on time. I can't say that from AF, LH, LX, KL .... even on middle haul flights.
Don't mix airports organisation which are complicated enough, due to sometimes staffs non professional behaviour, and also chinese people behaviour (sometimes .. ok ...forget it) and the comfort and staff in the planes.
In Y , really I don't know. (to crowded, with nightmares queues, sorry) but in F (finally only 2 times Y fares)
I never had any problem : AC, FM, MU, CZ. Chinese style for sure, but if one are there, we don't expect SQ or MH styles. 99% of my flights were on time. I can't say that from AF, LH, LX, KL .... even on middle haul flights.
Jan 21, 2010 | 1:39 am
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that may explain why KLM decided to start flying to Hangzhou.
Jan 22, 2010 | 1:25 am
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Jan 22, 2010 | 2:54 am
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Feb 20, 2010 | 11:04 am
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Feb 25, 2010 | 8:50 pm
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AA in aliance talks with China Eastern
Well it looks like AA is also talking about having China Eastern join One World:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61N6H420100224
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61N6H420100224
Feb 26, 2010 | 4:19 am
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Official news:
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR.
*A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership.
2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM.
FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status.
3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes.
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR.
*A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership.
2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM.
FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status.
3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes.
Mar 1, 2010 | 3:22 pm
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Official news:
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR.
*A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership.
2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM.
FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status.
3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes.
1) FM will move out from PEK T3 to T2 to co-locate with MU on 28MAR.
*A and *O currently uses T3 - and *S uses T2. If the new MU is joining either *A or *O then why move FM back and forth? This indicates that MU has already decided to pursue its *S membership.
2) FFP Status will be recognised by MU and FM.
FM will exit *A very soon. *A doesn't generally allow flying non-member airline to get *A status.
3) Mileage can be earned by members of both programmes.
Mar 6, 2010 | 10:30 pm
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The announcement has again been delayed.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...atestheadlines
China Eastern will announce its membership of an airline alliance in April, Liu told reporters on the sidelines of the National People's Congress. He didn't give any details.
Apr 6, 2010 | 8:17 pm
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Interesting article .... but the last sentence had me rolling on the floor laughing .
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_9694742.htm
Meanwhile, speculation is rife on which of the world's three airline alliances will win China Eastern's favor.
Currently the Shanghai-based carrier is the last of the nation's three major airlines without membership in any alliance.
Despite wavering for several years, China Eastern is now ready to make its final choice at the end of April, said Liu.
"We will tell you which airline alliance we will enter by the end of April," Liu told the press on Tuesday.
After an impressive tie-up with its former local rival Shanghai Airlines, China Eastern Airlines has made joining one of the three international airline networks - Star Alliance, Sky Team, or Oneworld - a priority.
.....Some analysts expected Liu to join the Sky Team, but Gao said it is better to choose another alliance due to competing relations between China Southern and China Eastern.
"Oneworld will be China Eastern's final choice, although it is smaller in size than the other two.
But it also has stellar members like American Airlines, British Airways, Canadian Airlines and Cathay Pacific," Gao noted.
Has Mr Gao perhaps been asleep for the last 9 years ?
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchin...nt_9694742.htm
Meanwhile, speculation is rife on which of the world's three airline alliances will win China Eastern's favor.
Currently the Shanghai-based carrier is the last of the nation's three major airlines without membership in any alliance.
Despite wavering for several years, China Eastern is now ready to make its final choice at the end of April, said Liu.
"We will tell you which airline alliance we will enter by the end of April," Liu told the press on Tuesday.
After an impressive tie-up with its former local rival Shanghai Airlines, China Eastern Airlines has made joining one of the three international airline networks - Star Alliance, Sky Team, or Oneworld - a priority.
.....Some analysts expected Liu to join the Sky Team, but Gao said it is better to choose another alliance due to competing relations between China Southern and China Eastern.
"Oneworld will be China Eastern's final choice, although it is smaller in size than the other two.
But it also has stellar members like American Airlines, British Airways, Canadian Airlines and Cathay Pacific," Gao noted.
Has Mr Gao perhaps been asleep for the last 9 years ?