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Exasperation forces move for the better from SQ to CX

Exasperation forces move for the better from SQ to CX

Old Mar 21, 2009 | 4:14 am
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Wink Exasperation forces move for the better from SQ to CX

After many years of loyally supporting SQ I finally gave up due to:

1. An ability to get confirmed F seats with constant waitlists as contract fares are considered and treated by SQ not as volume discounts but as distressed inventory sales. If they can get $5 more from somone off the street rather than a loyal customer they will. Ok, not my idea of good business but it sure is their perogative.

2. Inability to get F seats on A380's for less than Double the fare of a 747 F seat. As the London flights have switched to A380 they have insisted on a huge fare premium of 200% or so whilst allowing an extra 6% or so miles. Time will tell whether its worth 6% more or 100% more. I suspect by the time they capitulate it will have cost them a lot of customers!

3. Constant devaluation of the Frequent flyer program. Funny how its never degraded only changed! The current sales are a step in the right direction so some kudos but still no recognition of loyalty from their loyalty program!

So I gave up and afetr much consideration finally changed to Cathay and yesterday did my first CX flight in over 20 years, a Business class sector AKL-HKG.

Overall impression (admittedly after a sample of only one flight and as the head flight attendant welcomed me on my first flight I must assume that care was taken with the first sector to get things right) very good.

To be fair SQ is a great airline in the air, but so is Cathay and I would rate some aspects such as business class Food, Amenity kits and Beverage selections as significantly better. I'll wait to see how F compares, but I would expect just fine.

However what turned it for me was what happens on the ground.

With CX more flexibility, no more waitlists, two late evening departures out of London instead of the mad dash to make SQ's one 747 (soon to be 777) departure at 6pm. As a bonus also the fares are lower than my SQ contract rates.

I would also have to say the CX ground staff I dealt with were very good to deal with. SQ's local people were also very good but had their hands tied with rigid head office rules. The CX people seemed to have more flexibility locally.

Its not all perfection. CX's people have warned me getting availability of frequent flyer seats with them is a pain. But so far I'm impressed.

They have done what they said they would without exception including confirming a lot of forward booking seats, including a few last minute changes on this trip with no availability issues.

The service has been as good overall if not better than SQ's.

So here is the final rub. If SQ matched everything CX have done would I now switch back. No, I don't think I would.

I enjoyed my time with SQ, if it hadn't been for their rigidity causing me endless hassles I would not have looked around.

But having done so I'm glad I did.

I wish SQ well, its a great airline. But I feel its lost its customer focus, which is a real shame. I hope it finds it again soon!
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 6:08 am
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Good for you, enjoy CX.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 8:28 am
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Kiwi_FF, just a warning from a former oneWorld Emerald (top elite) member: unless there were some changes, if you are based in AU/NZ CX will ask you to join QF FF and not its own FF program. To achive any status on oneWorld using QF FF, you will have to fly at least 4 QF/JetStar-operated flights every year. Otherwise you will not have any status awarded (no extra bonus miles etc.). There is CX Marco Polo Club, but it is a kind of status and not mileage program.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 9:17 am
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Originally Posted by TPJ
Kiwi_FF, just a warning from a former oneWorld Emerald (top elite) member: unless there were some changes, if you are based in AU/NZ CX will ask you to join QF FF and not its own FF program. To achive any status on oneWorld using QF FF, you will have to fly at least 4 QF/JetStar-operated flights every year. Otherwise you will not have any status awarded (no extra bonus miles etc.). There is CX Marco Polo Club, but it is a kind of status and not mileage program.
OP will not need to join QF FF. That applies only if he is a BA EC member. CX will gladly take you onboard as a MPC member.

MPC is the loyalty programme, but its award arm is Asiamiles.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by TPJ
........if you are based in AU/NZ CX will ask you to join QF FF and not its own FF program......
CX provides a toll free number for members in AU 1800129264.@:-)
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 12:36 am
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FF program

No problem enrolling in Aisa Miles online and they then did a status march for Marco Polo Club.

Overall its been a very good experience and the flexibility and absence of waitlists has made my travel planning a lot easier.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 2:08 am
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As an ex-PPS who suffered the same exasperation, I can honestly say that dealing with CX has been a breeze. Now a DM, I enjoy many of the unpublished benefits, including them going to great length to get me confirmed upgrade and companion redemption.

You will also find many upgrades thrown your way as you go up the ladder. While I can count on the number of UG on SQ on the fingers of one hand, I have lost count of the number of UG on CX.

CX does know how to treat its pax well.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 2:53 am
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I am not a member of CX or SQ FFPs. But I use both extensively on longhaul (and CX also on regional). I understand the frustration with some aspects of either airline/FFP. But IMO both CX & SQ are outstanding airlines compared to most others. The CX forum has many op complaining about some aspects of CX and DM status (a few threads on the benefits of DM), and the general impression when you read the CX forum is that SQ is superior, although I find it more expensive. Eventhough I am not PPS or DM (but BA emerald and BD Gold), I have found both airlines to be responsive to my needs and problems. I use BAEC coz 1) I fly also in Europe 2) BA FFP is more generous than CX 3)BA treats is top customers well. But on the small OW alliance I found that other OW airlines tend to recognize Emeralds and treat them OK, plus you get F lounge access worldwide. On the huge *A, there seems to be little recognition by other airlines and no F lounge access. That suggests giving priority to a OW FFP like BA or CX.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:08 am
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Well, have fun with your choice!

I'm a die-hard SQ Fan--Atic.. I've been able to get very reasonable prices with them, and so far I have no regrets.. We all have our reasons!
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:33 am
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Yep, IMHO CX outside HK is more flexible that SQ outside Singapore. Both can be equally rigid in their home markets...

A CX DM who can obtain a good working relationship with a local CX sales office can get a lot acheived.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 3:58 am
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I think the OP did the right thing - I am shifting my business away from SQ as well. We all can return when they have learned their lessons... In the interim, there are more airlines that give you a great flight experience and it really sucks that the good experience on SQ is limited to the time you spent in the air...
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Old Mar 24, 2009 | 4:28 am
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It'll even be better if we all can write to SQ Customer Services and tell them each time we book on another airline when we could have booked with SQ.

Wonder how effective it is to write to the Straits Times blog?
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Old Mar 30, 2009 | 12:31 am
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my dad got tired of PPS after 10 years and decided to go back to CX..... then here's the next catch...he found out on HKG-TPE flights on BR Business class is 1/2 the price of CX..... and my mom found out SQ discount tickets from HKG - SIN is about S$200 RT as compared to $350-400 from SIN and similar deals on SQ to LHR from HKG........... makes you wonder eh!
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Originally Posted by global_happy_traveller
my dad got tired of PPS after 10 years and decided to go back to CX..... then here's the next catch...he found out on HKG-TPE flights on BR Business class is 1/2 the price of CX..... and my mom found out SQ discount tickets from HKG - SIN is about S$200 RT as compared to $350-400 from SIN and similar deals on SQ to LHR from HKG........... makes you wonder eh!
This is completely irrelevant to the thread topic! Your post has nothing to do with PPS vs MPC.

Fares ex-HKG on CX will always be more expensive than others. Hence HKG=TPE will be cheaper on BR/CI than CX. But ex-TPE, CX will be cheaper than the other two. SQ is CX 's biggest competitor so that's why SQ will undercut CX's fares ex-HKG.
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Old Mar 31, 2009 | 8:58 am
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Though I don't fly either SQ or CX as much as (admittedly very, very inferior) US-based carriers, my default when I fly one of them trans-Pacific (always in J) a few times a year is CX. As others have noted, CX is much easier to deal with on the ground. To pick just one of several experiences, trying to book an SQ/Virgin RTW J class was such a hassle that I simply gave up. Plus as a OW Emerald CX treats me much better (including occasional upgrades to F) than SQ does for my equivalent status with *A.
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