MovieMan

I got that, but what is it that you're arguing for again? That you wish SQ would upgrade people regularly as a matter of policy, like some other airlines do? If so, I think you'll find some people disagreeing with that here, including me.

jjpb3

What they said was they didn't upgrade as a matter of policy:
There is no inconsistency.
You only required a deviation from policy so you could be accommodated? Waitlisting isn't that uncommon on SQ flights, which is why PPS membership is so valuable to many FTers.

You knew you were waitlisted and not being PPS, you must have known you'd be behind KrisFlyer elites in clearing the waitlist. Or did you not know from a two-day waitlist that there was a chance you wouldn't be flying in Raffles?

More importantly, however, you ended up flying in Raffles. The process wasn't ideal for you, but my guess is that this doesn't fit the definition of a compelling situation for SQ to break its policy of "no upgrades."

Yowling about this well-known "no upgrades" policy really isn't accomplishing anything at this point other than prevent you from moving on. If you don't consider Raffles "much above Y" and because getting PPS will only make future "no waitlist" experiences less likely (and not impossible), there are far cheaper ways to achieve *G status -- and you won't ever again need to stress out about a near-downgrade from a class not much above Y.

SuperFlyBoy

I'm not arguing, but simply stating that a top-level tier SQ passenger (PPS/Solitaire) should be upgraded to first, provided seats are available, to accomodate a Raffles passenger in his class of travel....or do you think that a PPS/Solitaire should *never* be upgraded at all??

SuperFlyBoy

I'm not yowling.

I am already *G on TG/UA.

If you were in my position, I am sure you would react in the same way, but I forgot - you may already be a PPS....and I am trying to achieve this...

You are entitled to your opinions and I, to mine....

jjpb3

I actually do find your opinions interesting, particularly since I'm having trouble finding how the following are consistent:

(1) you're already *G
(2) you find Raffles overrated
and
(3) PPS means flying more in Raffles.

Strip out the *G benefits of PPS (because you're already *G) and the very very small chance of op-ups -- I believe you also said
-- you've taken out many of the benefits that other people I know find very valuable.

I guess you intend to fly mainly in First? Or you value SKL access in SIN that much? Or you really like the double baggage allowance?

SuperFlyBoy

I am only evaluating PPS - I guess I would simply use the SKL access when flying in Y....

flyUAyounger

A passenger should only be upgraded to First or Business if the class below that is overbooked, and there are confirmed and ticketed passengers with no seats assigned.

Otherwise, I think PPS/Solitaire passengers should *never* be upgraded. It would be nice, but then where do we go from there? Random acts of kindness can turn into a massive addiction and the diminishment of a stellar product.

DeltaFlyingProf

I did once do some computations to figure out how much I spend per sector.... But the answer depends on how you devide the cost of a ticket involving another airline than SQ.
If I do try to guess what SQ gets out of me, then I spend 120$/sector. If I do not, then I spend 240$/serctor.

DeltaFlyingProf

PS: if I discount the price of the Dom I drink, I spend 10$/sector

Q Shoe Guy

Thank you Delta flying prof ^ ! We are slowly getting to range of numbers.

SuperFlyBoy

Nice - elites should *never* be rewarded...

Then I guess you are of the opinion that one should never be given a car rental upgrade (or a car at all) when vehicles in the particular class reserved are in short supply...

Same with all other possibilities in life...

However, the operational upgrades on SQ do happen, and more frequently than "*never*", but less often than other carriers, so I do not think I am out of order here....

Do you think one should be denied carriage for a week (which would have been my case), when they do have seats on board a higher class, where they can upgrade other passengers with elite status - obviously, you do not...

(*and* I asked SQ whether I could payfor the upgrade into F, just to get on the flight in a PPS-earning category, but they refused, as they couldn't calculate the fare, so the only option was the above)

fumitani

In before Kiwiflyer cleans up this mess

But on a serious note, I think SuperFlyBoy has been spoiled too much with the American carriers NW, UA, US, DL etc.... with their free upgrade policies. You must understand that some people value PPS more heavily than others. In your case by reading, I am seeing that PPS does not seem to matter much to you. I would love to have PPS, but as I fly on my own dime and my parents pay for me I am already happy enough to fly Y.

I agree with other's that PPS/Solitare/Lifetime member should not be get complimentary upgrades. Why do you think people pay TOP dollar for SQ premium products? The reason is that they find it worth it. If you upgrade people for free it makes the product worth a lot less. In the overbook situation there is no choice. The reason is SQ is successful even when Fuel is $70 a barrel is that they have a strong Premium product people are willing to pay for. Even their Y is amazing with their Wisemen 3000

JPB

SQ has a clear business model which means that they think overall they get more revenue by not offering upgrades except in exceptional circumstances. Other airlines, car rental companies and hotels have different business models in which offering upgrades is an integtral part. The SQ model obviously works well for them as they are a very profitable company and you can see from here that a number of passengers do really appreciate the fact that SQ do not fill their premium cabins with upgrades.

SuperFlyBoy

Never been upgraded on the above airlines, without using my own miles for the same, so therefore, I have *not* been spoiled.

Basically, I do understand that individuals perceive PPS differently, and I am not countering this - everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I also have to bear the expenses of flying, exactly as you do, and therefore, I have the opinion that I have...

Agree on this point, and I rest my case, and only will retort to a statement in this forum which perceives me other than what I am.

And, for the record, I *paid* 2x the amount of money that any other carrier would charge for transporting me around the world, taking one day *longer* (one day, *without* considering the one day SQ delay in SIN) than the others, for the experience of Raffles for those legs, as well as achieving PPS...

flyUAyounger

Elites *are* being awarded... with lounge access, extra weight, Raffles/First Class check-in, priority wait list... upgrades are not a published benefit...