Singapore Premium Economy - anyone used it?
May 8, 2016, 9:34 pm
#16
Join Date: Apr 2013
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It may be worthwhile to redeem Business Saver (or even First Saver) award tickets. Or do a one way Y saver in one direction and an F/J saver in the other direction.
I wouldn't recommend Y saver redemptions in general, because once you add up the taxes and surcharges, the cost of the Y saver redemption isn't much cheaper than buying a Y ticket.
Last edited by sqyf; May 17, 2016 at 3:53 am
May 17, 2016, 3:50 am
#17
Join Date: Apr 2013
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Good news! PEY awards are now available for redemption.
http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg...news/PEY-annc/
http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg...news/PEY-annc/
May 17, 2016, 3:51 am
#18
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The availability of PEY awards was announced along with several other changes to Krisflyer. Other notable changes include the withdrawal of Full awards. Now just Saver and Standard awards are available (I doubt many people used Full awards because of the exorbitant number of points required).
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
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May 17, 2016, 7:06 am
#19
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The availability of PEY awards was announced along with several other changes to Krisflyer. Other notable changes include the withdrawal of Full awards. Now just Saver and Standard awards are available (I doubt many people used Full awards because of the exorbitant number of points required).
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
May 17, 2016, 7:51 am
#20
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Yeah it is a bit exaggerated. If I have to spend 62.5k on a Europe flight, I may as well go for the 80k business class. Not sure what are their intentions, they may want to discourage award tickets in PE.
May 17, 2016, 9:53 am
#22
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The availability of PEY awards was announced along with several other changes to Krisflyer. Other notable changes include the withdrawal of Full awards. Now just Saver and Standard awards are available (I doubt many people used Full awards because of the exorbitant number of points required).
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
Also on flights with a PEY cabin, it is no longer possible to redeem upgrades from Y to J. You can only do a one class upgrade from Y to PEY, or from PEY to J. Note that outright redemptions are still available for Y, PEY, J and F/Suites.
SQMI_OneWayUpgradeCharts.pdf
May 17, 2016, 9:59 am
#23
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That's why the cabin is fairly small. I can see the draw when the premium is minimal; especially when booking last minute. Still don't see why would someone book PE when ME3 J can be purchased at around that ballpark on the routes they compete on.
May 17, 2016, 9:10 pm
#24
Join Date: Aug 2014
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And more surprisingly is that those booked on full awards will be refunded the difference in miles with standard. Unfortunately Europe would be now under one zone; which will mean that the CPH, AMS, FCO, ATH 'loophole' is gone. Still many sweet spots on the chart like JNB and IST. On their new award upgrade chart; it's a shame for some that they only allow one class upgrades, but I would have to say that it is a welcome improvement considering how good SQ J is. Thankfully J-F upgrades are possible and given my travel patterns; it's cheaper for me to get a J ticket and get a standard upgrade then pay for a regular Suites ticket.
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May 17, 2016, 10:10 pm
#25
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Because there's still a market for the diehard SQ fans and/or those who absolutely hate having their sleep interrupted by a stop in Dubai, Abu Dhabi or Doha. My wife is one of the latter and would rather pay for PE even though J is just ~10-20% more on a ME3 airline.
May 17, 2016, 10:51 pm
#26
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J is still at least 100% more.
EDIT: For my next trip, ME3 don't fly to the location in a very efficient way, so it works out being $18,000 instead of $4,000 (J vs PE).
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May 17, 2016, 11:42 pm
#27
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I fly SQ because it's the most convenient way of reaching NZ from Europe with only one short(-ish) layover.
If I compare the price of the lowest Y class that pays 100% miles with the cheapest PE class (which also pays 100% miles regardless) the price difference is about 25% more, and that difference is justified IMHO on two back-to-back 12h flights.
In general it's about 2k€, while the cheapest J fares with one stop are generally 4k€ and up, so a solid 100% hike.
There would be the dirt cheap option of CA's PE cabin, but even for all faults of SQ's PE product the two cabins are not really comparable.
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May 18, 2016, 12:22 am
#28
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May 18, 2016, 3:54 am
#29
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Same from Europe.
I fly SQ because it's the most convenient way of reaching NZ from Europe with only one short(-ish) layover.
If I compare the price of the lowest Y class that pays 100% miles with the cheapest PE class (which also pays 100% miles regardless) the price difference is about 25% more, and that difference is justified IMHO on two back-to-back 12h flights.
In general it's about 2k€, while the cheapest J fares with one stop are generally 4k€ and up, so a solid 100% hike.
There would be the dirt cheap option of CA's PE cabin, but even for all of SQ's PE product the two cabins are not really comparable.
I fly SQ because it's the most convenient way of reaching NZ from Europe with only one short(-ish) layover.
If I compare the price of the lowest Y class that pays 100% miles with the cheapest PE class (which also pays 100% miles regardless) the price difference is about 25% more, and that difference is justified IMHO on two back-to-back 12h flights.
In general it's about 2k€, while the cheapest J fares with one stop are generally 4k€ and up, so a solid 100% hike.
There would be the dirt cheap option of CA's PE cabin, but even for all of SQ's PE product the two cabins are not really comparable.
FRA-AKL was 1.8k for SQ PE and 3.3k for CX J
May 18, 2016, 4:45 pm
#30
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Agreed, but that's because ex-ANZ, there will always be one stop regardless. You only tend to get the good deals for "one stop J" vs. "non-stop PEY" on Singapore-Europe flights.