Is this a "fake" Flagship First ticket?
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Is this a "fake" Flagship First ticket?
Hello everyone! So I have a problem with a ticket I just purchased and your insight on this will be much appreciated.
I read the news about AA will be deploying 772 on the JFK-LAX route for a limited period of time in April (AA 55/56 between April 7 and April 24), and I went on to book one flight. On the sales page there is no Flagship Business option and only Flagship First available. So I had the expectation of the full Flagship First experience (Flagship First check-in, dining, etc.)
However when I check the flight receipt received I find the fare class on it is I, which as we know is for regular domestic first and Flagship Business, instead of A or F for Flagship First.
My receipt. Confidential info blocked.
So now I'm worried --- does it mean this is not a real Flagship First and I'm not eligible for the set of service? If that is the case I think AA is putting misleading information on the sales page about what product it is actually selling. So could anyone please give me a clue here?
I read the news about AA will be deploying 772 on the JFK-LAX route for a limited period of time in April (AA 55/56 between April 7 and April 24), and I went on to book one flight. On the sales page there is no Flagship Business option and only Flagship First available. So I had the expectation of the full Flagship First experience (Flagship First check-in, dining, etc.)
However when I check the flight receipt received I find the fare class on it is I, which as we know is for regular domestic first and Flagship Business, instead of A or F for Flagship First.
My receipt. Confidential info blocked.
So now I'm worried --- does it mean this is not a real Flagship First and I'm not eligible for the set of service? If that is the case I think AA is putting misleading information on the sales page about what product it is actually selling. So could anyone please give me a clue here?
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That booking is 1st class but on a 2 cabin service , so not eligible for benefits limited to service in 1st class where there is both 1st and business
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt and the $708 fare is the same as the I business class fare on 3 class flights
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
Originally Posted by aa.com
Qualifying transcontinental flights
3-class non-stop flights between:
- New York (JFK) and Los Angeles (LAX)
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
Last edited by Dave Noble; Feb 20, 2020 at 5:08 pm
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That booking is 1st class but on a 2 cabin service , so not eligible for benefits limited to service in 1st class where there is both 1st and business
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt
Nowhere on this page does it specify benefits for First class on 3-class transcon planes.
I do see that first is about half of the cost of the A321T flights, but that's not the issue of the passenger. AA either needs to call the 777 flight something other than flagship first, or provide the published benefits.
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I find it very misleading. They are calling it Flagship First, and if I google Flagship First Transcon, I get this: https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ontinental.jsp
Nowhere on this page does it specify benefits for First class on 3-class transcon planes.
I do see that first is about half of the cost of the A321T flights, but that's not the issue of the passenger. AA either needs to call the 777 flight something other than flagship first, or provide the published benefits.
Nowhere on this page does it specify benefits for First class on 3-class transcon planes.
I do see that first is about half of the cost of the A321T flights, but that's not the issue of the passenger. AA either needs to call the 777 flight something other than flagship first, or provide the published benefits.
It is also pretty clear pricewise that the fare is the same as business on a 3 class service and it is fairly clear that business is not being offered
I would agree with the premise that AA should stop marketing the front cabin on 2 class aeroplanes as first but market is as business as per the booking classes used for it but calling it 1st seems consistent with other services
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That booking is 1st class but on a 2 cabin service , so not eligible for benefits limited to service in 1st class where there is both 1st and business
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt and the $708 fare is the same as the I business class fare on 3 class flights
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt and the $708 fare is the same as the I business class fare on 3 class flights
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
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The addition of the 772 to the JFK-LAX schedule was discussed recently here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32087141-post149.html
I'm not convinced that Flagship Dining will be denied.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32087141-post149.html
I'm not convinced that Flagship Dining will be denied.
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It is providing the published benefits - the 777-200 is not a 3 class service and the details for flagship dining does clearly state that it is only where there is 1st and business
It is also pretty clear pricewise that the fare is the same as business on a 3 class service and it is fairly clear that business is not being offered
It is also pretty clear pricewise that the fare is the same as business on a 3 class service and it is fairly clear that business is not being offered
Not all travelers are FT savvy, and if someone sees a lower fare (which happens all the time) and jumps on it, and the itinerary says 'Flagship First', they should fully expect to receive the published benefits. Again, there's nothing at all on AA's own 'Flagship First-Transcontinental' webpage which says anything about 2 vs 3-class flights.
I know this flight is perhaps complicated since it was just added to the schedule, but a simple fix of just calling this ticket 'first' would solve the issue.
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That booking is 1st class but on a 2 cabin service , so not eligible for benefits limited to service in 1st class where there is both 1st and business
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt and the $708 fare is the same as the I business class fare on 3 class flights
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
As per the AA details on Flagship dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp
I do not see that there is anything misleading given that AA is not offering business class on the flight - also the price difference between it and the 1st class on the ones that have 3 class are noticeably differemt and the $708 fare is the same as the I business class fare on 3 class flights
$128 for the economy fare and being able to select Premium Economy seats seems like a very good deal for that service
If AA is treating this like a domestic first then it should remove the Flagship logo on the fare; if it is treating this like Flagship Business then it should be under the Business category, not the first. In other words, if someone does not notice the fare class issue, he/she will easily consider this as a deeply discounted Flagship First ticket. I think that is a problem of AA.
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Well we agree to disagree
Not all travelers are FT savvy, and if someone sees a lower fare (which happens all the time) and jumps on it, and the itinerary says 'Flagship First', they should fully expect to receive the published benefits. Again, there's nothing at all on AA's own 'Flagship First-Transcontinental' webpage which says anything about 2 vs 3-class flights.
I know this flight is perhaps complicated since it was just added to the schedule, but a simple fix of just calling this ticket 'first' would solve the issue.
Not all travelers are FT savvy, and if someone sees a lower fare (which happens all the time) and jumps on it, and the itinerary says 'Flagship First', they should fully expect to receive the published benefits. Again, there's nothing at all on AA's own 'Flagship First-Transcontinental' webpage which says anything about 2 vs 3-class flights.
I know this flight is perhaps complicated since it was just added to the schedule, but a simple fix of just calling this ticket 'first' would solve the issue.
benefits for flagship 1st for dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp states 3-class non-stop flights between: New York (JFK) and Los Angeles (LAX)
and the same limitation for flagship check in ( https://www.aa.com/i18n/plan-travel/...t-check-in.jsp )
The simple fix would be to always call JRCDI as business class
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The addition of the 772 to the JFK-LAX schedule was discussed recently here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32087141-post149.html
I'm not convinced that Flagship Dining will be denied.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32087141-post149.html
I'm not convinced that Flagship Dining will be denied.
I guess one question, since I haven’t been AA lounge-eligible for some time, is whether access is granted automatically by computer when scanning, or it’s at the Agent’s discretion.
But certainly the onboard service will be business.
In terms of luggage, I guess if the eticket receipt says 3 bags, you’ll get 3 bags.
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It is classed as flagship 1st in line with https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...ontinental.jsp but
benefits for flagship 1st for dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp states 3-class non-stop flights between: New York (JFK) and Los Angeles (LAX)
and the same limitation for flagship check in ( https://www.aa.com/i18n/plan-travel/...t-check-in.jsp )
The simple fix would be to always call JRCDI as business class
benefits for flagship 1st for dining at https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/...rst-dining.jsp states 3-class non-stop flights between: New York (JFK) and Los Angeles (LAX)
and the same limitation for flagship check in ( https://www.aa.com/i18n/plan-travel/...t-check-in.jsp )
The simple fix would be to always call JRCDI as business class
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Not calling it business is in line with all other AA 2 class domestic flights
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And saying AA is not charging the fare that goes along with those bookings is silly, it's not as if AA has set an arbitrary dollar amount whereby anything above is Flaghsip First and anything below is Business or something else. We live in the world of $300 airfares to anywhere. Below is a random date on JFK-LAX where the 10am flight is $1658 and the 11am flight is $2658, is the average consumer supposed to know/assume that the 10am flight is cheaper than it should be and/or not come with some benefits of the 11am flight?
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This is clearly a glitch, but it is false advertising if they do not provide Flagship First service.
Next you'll say, sure they called it business,but it's actually economy. You should know by the price you paid and the moving average price of airfare
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It's an IT issue that JFK-LAX shows this rare one-off flight and selling it as only 2 cabins. The OP should be entitled to Flagship First ground benefits if the ticket and booking clearly states as much. Otherwise, why didn't AA show the $708 fare under the Business column if they don't want to grant the benefits of FF?
It's not his/her fault that they booked what was clearly marketed online as Flagship First. Most customers have no idea that fare code I means business class, if they ever even dig into their receipt to find it. I'm guessing if OP pushes for the benefits, they will be granted.
It's not his/her fault that they booked what was clearly marketed online as Flagship First. Most customers have no idea that fare code I means business class, if they ever even dig into their receipt to find it. I'm guessing if OP pushes for the benefits, they will be granted.