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Information below is based on the fleet plan reported in the latest fleet update in the quarterly MD&A, (currently 2025-Q4 [English PDF]) with updates based on information from planespotters.net, press releases, and other sources. Please expand the "Spoilers" section that the bottom of the wiki to see latest updates. This spreadsheet contains data on AC's fleet back to 2005, and includes numerous charts that detail the evolution of various types in the fleet from then until the present.



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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Looks like more official word on the 737 'Express'. I say official as "An airline spokesperson told AirlineGeeks on Monday that these aircraft will be operated in their current configuration, primarily on shorter routes." Not that a site called airlinegeeks is an official source.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2025/03/04/...7-max-service/

From the article:Starting in April, Air Canada plans to add a handful of flights on high-density Boeing 737 MAX 8s. These aircraft were acquired from defunct ultra-low-cost carrier Lynx Air.

From Toronto, the 189-seat aircraft are scheduled on a handful of routes, including to Moncton and Fredericton, New Brunswick; St. Johns, Newfoundland and Labrador; Thunder Bay, Ontario; Quebec; and Kingston, Jamaica. The jets are in an all-economy class configuration, unlike the airline’s typical 737 MAXs, which have 16 business class seats.
Planespotters has added the first 7M8, reg. C-FFIQ / Fin 574 to the Air Canada Express page as opby Air Canada. Air Canada Express

Also, at time of writing, another newbuilds ntu by Lynx, C-FFIS, is enroute from Boeing Field to Windsor.

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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR72
Planespotters has added the first 7M8, reg. C-FFIQ / Fin 574 to the Air Canada Express page as opby Air Canada. Air Canada Express

Also, at time of writing, newbuild C-FFIS is enroute from Boeing Field to Windsor.
Interesting, so it's Air Canada Express but operated by AC. I thought the ACE brand was essentially exclusively operated by Jazz Air. I know Jazz can't operate the 7M8 (seat requirements amongst other things).
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by sports1
Probably has also to do with ongoing maintenance costs (techs, training, etc.)

As an aside, it's fun to see AC bringing in several ULCC planes as-is (Lynx 7M8) in seat configuration with ... 29" pitch and no recline. As a full service carrier. What a wonderful customer experience to be stuck on a 189Y for up to 6 hours. That's wild.
I imagine this is will allow them to free up the aircraft currently operating these routes to get refurbished - including the Airbus fleet for mainline, and Jazz fleet cabin upgrades.

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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by sports1
Interesting, so tit's Air Canada Express but operated by AC. I thought the ACE brand was essentially exclusively operated by Jazz Air. I know Jazz can't operate the 7M8 (seat requirements amongst other things).
Express is a brand. Anybody can operate it. Currently, Jazz & PAL operate Express flights. Hence, these will be operated by Air Canada, for Air Canada Express...
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Express is a brand. Anybody can operate it. Currently, Jazz & PAL operate Express flights. Hence, these will be operated by Air Canada, for Air Canada Express...
On this note, I have updated the Wiki to append "brand" to Air Canada, Express, Jets, Rouge etc. Hope thats fine with folks.
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Express is a brand.
So this makes me wonder, now that ACE has aircraft with significantly longer range capabilities, exactly what is ACE supposed to "be"? Up until the 7M8 additions, it was mostly synonymous with short haul transborder and regional flights. Now it's...?
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by sports1
So this makes me wonder, now that ACE has aircraft with significantly longer range capabilities, exactly what is ACE supposed to "be"? Up until the 7M8 additions, it was mostly synonymous with short haul transborder and regional flights. Now it's...?
what is Rouge supposed to be?
imo, the answer is that Air Canada doesn't have a branding strategy and doesn't care if its brands become even more incoherent
(for what it's worth, YYZ-KIN is the only route listed here that would be significantly longer than other Express routes)
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by tcuhrc
what is Rouge supposed to be?
imo, the answer is that Air Canada doesn't have a branding strategy and doesn't care if its brands become even more incoherent
(for what it's worth, YYZ-KIN is the only route listed here that would be significantly longer than other Express routes)
I actually wanted to ask that as a follow up question too, because Rouge is an even bigger mess at this point. YYZ-KIN is the outlier, but it makes me wonder what AC has planned for these high density 7M8s in the next year (or more).
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 3:10 pm
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Originally Posted by tcuhrc
i don't think this comparison makes a lot of sense, but the NG was the third generation of the 737 so it wouldn't work like that either
Fair. I forgot about the -300/400/500 in between the orginal -100/200 and NG. I'll take it back and say that the 77W/L are like the -300/400/500 with new engines and pylons on a similar/identical body and the 779 is more akin to the NG with a new wing, larger body and tweaked engine in both cases.
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by PLeblond
Express is a brand. Anybody can operate it. Currently, Jazz & PAL operate Express flights. Hence, these will be operated by Air Canada, for Air Canada Express...
It has been confirmed that there was an error made by the paint shop and Express should not have been on the aircraft and it will be removed.
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer787
It has been confirmed that there was an error made by the paint shop and Express should not have been on the aircraft and it will be removed.
Does that same paintshop even work on the Express fleet? You'd think they'd ask a lot of questions before putting Express on a 737. Also, where does Airfleets.com get their info? They've even recorded the addition of 737s to the Express brand.

What is the source of the confirmation of the error?
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by YVR72
Also, at time of writing, the first of the newbuilds (ntu by Lynx) C-FFIS is enroute from Boeing Field to Windsor.
FFIS is not the first. Fins 573 (FFIP) and 574 (FFIQ) are in YQG already, as of Jan 31 and Feb 10 respectively. Fin 571 (FFOP) was in YQG from Jan 18 to Feb 10 but is now in MLB (perhaps about to fly to GEG, maybe for repaint).
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 4:02 pm
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The pictures on Reddit don't look like they were actually painted.

I thought it was the template or prep work for printing, but it might just be a very elaborate prank? I can't exactly see how it could be a "mistake" or done "erroneously".. Although stranger things had happened to Cathay once...

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Originally Posted by Leyland1989
Although stranger things had happened to Cathay once...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45572275
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Old Mar 6, 2025 | 8:58 pm
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Well, I was looking forward to getting on one of the 763s in a couple weeks, but now that's been downgauged to a 223.
Oh well.
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