The trouble with BA’s A380s lately
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Furthermore there'll be a number of aircraft each day that encounter faults or incidents as described above which ground them. With a small fleet you need to therefore allow a healthy amount of slack in the schedules for all of the above, or else have sufficient contingency plans to accommodate pax.
Unfortunately BA seem to plan their A380 schedules on the assumption of a best case scenario, ignoring the possibility or likelihood of any of the above occurring. That's a commercial decision for which they can, and should, be held accountable.
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I agree with most of what you say but not this - it's entirely foreseeable that a certain proportion of an airline's fleet will be under maintenance at any given time. They should also anticipate that maintenance will sometimes overrun due to unexpected defects, shortages of parts, insufficient manpower etc.
Furthermore there'll be a number of aircraft each day that encounter faults or incidents as described above which ground them. With a small fleet you need to therefore allow a healthy amount of slack in the schedules for all of the above, or else have sufficient contingency plans to accommodate pax.
Unfortunately BA seem to plan their A380 schedules on the assumption of a best case scenario, ignoring the possibility or likelihood of any of the above occurring. That's a commercial decision for which they can, and should, be held accountable.
Furthermore there'll be a number of aircraft each day that encounter faults or incidents as described above which ground them. With a small fleet you need to therefore allow a healthy amount of slack in the schedules for all of the above, or else have sufficient contingency plans to accommodate pax.
Unfortunately BA seem to plan their A380 schedules on the assumption of a best case scenario, ignoring the possibility or likelihood of any of the above occurring. That's a commercial decision for which they can, and should, be held accountable.
XLEJ has only been in MNL for about 5 weeks - which is absolutely standard for the fourth heavy maintenance check
There has not been a reduction in aircraft availability (on the heavy maintenance side) in the past few weeks
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Fair points both of you. Good posts.
I wasn’t trying to attribute the most recent issues to the extension of the current aircraft in MNL. I guess I was trying to demonstrate another variable which I think is unfortunate and will probably rear its head over the next month or so. Yes I agree that there should be an element of contingency baked into heavy checks - and there is. My info is that the nature of the defect found on the aircraft that’s currently in MNL, has not been found on any of the other hulls and is not typical of A380 of this age.
My post was an attempt to be balanced. BA get a lot wrong with these hulls no doubt - none more so than the extremely operationally restrictive routes vs pilot rosters. They would argue that they don’t fly them particularly hard [if you consider the number of home base maintenance slots planned per week, over a season] but I definitely believe that they were badly overlooked during Covid and they continue to pay the price in terms of lack of spares, deferred defects etc,
I wasn’t trying to attribute the most recent issues to the extension of the current aircraft in MNL. I guess I was trying to demonstrate another variable which I think is unfortunate and will probably rear its head over the next month or so. Yes I agree that there should be an element of contingency baked into heavy checks - and there is. My info is that the nature of the defect found on the aircraft that’s currently in MNL, has not been found on any of the other hulls and is not typical of A380 of this age.
My post was an attempt to be balanced. BA get a lot wrong with these hulls no doubt - none more so than the extremely operationally restrictive routes vs pilot rosters. They would argue that they don’t fly them particularly hard [if you consider the number of home base maintenance slots planned per week, over a season] but I definitely believe that they were badly overlooked during Covid and they continue to pay the price in terms of lack of spares, deferred defects etc,
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I was on the BA 207 to Miami on G-XLEF on Friday. We all started boarding and were waiting on the jetty when we were told the temperature on the aircraft was 27 degrees and rising so it was not safe to board and they were sourcing an air conditioning unit.
We were offloaded and then had to board again picking up a delay of over 2 hours
BA knew the APU was U/S on G-XLEF but did not check the temperature during the morning and it was only the Captain arriving that caused some action to kick in.
There were many missed connections necessitating overnight hotel stays in Miami and lots of rerouting onto other carriers so this must have cost BA a fortune all for the sake of having a member of staff monitor the temperature during the morning plus lots of unhappy passengers.
We were offloaded and then had to board again picking up a delay of over 2 hours
BA knew the APU was U/S on G-XLEF but did not check the temperature during the morning and it was only the Captain arriving that caused some action to kick in.
There were many missed connections necessitating overnight hotel stays in Miami and lots of rerouting onto other carriers so this must have cost BA a fortune all for the sake of having a member of staff monitor the temperature during the morning plus lots of unhappy passengers.
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Fair points both of you. Good posts.
I wasn’t trying to attribute the most recent issues to the extension of the current aircraft in MNL. I guess I was trying to demonstrate another variable which I think is unfortunate and will probably rear its head over the next month or so. Yes I agree that there should be an element of contingency baked into heavy checks - and there is. My info is that the nature of the defect found on the aircraft that’s currently in MNL, has not been found on any of the other hulls and is not typical of A380 of this age.
My post was an attempt to be balanced. BA get a lot wrong with these hulls no doubt - none more so than the extremely operationally restrictive routes vs pilot rosters. They would argue that they don’t fly them particularly hard [if you consider the number of home base maintenance slots planned per week, over a season] but I definitely believe that they were badly overlooked during Covid and they continue to pay the price in terms of lack of spares, deferred defects etc,
I wasn’t trying to attribute the most recent issues to the extension of the current aircraft in MNL. I guess I was trying to demonstrate another variable which I think is unfortunate and will probably rear its head over the next month or so. Yes I agree that there should be an element of contingency baked into heavy checks - and there is. My info is that the nature of the defect found on the aircraft that’s currently in MNL, has not been found on any of the other hulls and is not typical of A380 of this age.
My post was an attempt to be balanced. BA get a lot wrong with these hulls no doubt - none more so than the extremely operationally restrictive routes vs pilot rosters. They would argue that they don’t fly them particularly hard [if you consider the number of home base maintenance slots planned per week, over a season] but I definitely believe that they were badly overlooked during Covid and they continue to pay the price in terms of lack of spares, deferred defects etc,
I wonder if the defect that they've found on XLEJ is related to being stored at DOH?
with XLEE being the only other DOH storage, hopefully the rest of the fleet won't suffer the same defect
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It seems that G-XLEC was just south of St. John’s on Monday when it turned around and returned to Boston due to smoke reported in the cabin.
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/392423
It was in the air for about two hours after turning around, so presumably the crew identified the issue as non-critical. I’m sure more details will emerge in the coming days.
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/392423
It was in the air for about two hours after turning around, so presumably the crew identified the issue as non-critical. I’m sure more details will emerge in the coming days.
Apparently after it landed in Boston it was noted that there were 5 pallets of laundry beads in the cargo hold.
https://avherald.com/h?article=51b01411&opt=0
You really couldn't make it up.
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Trying to ascertain any sort of pattern with the cancellations is pointless (I’ve been trying to do so myself for the BOS flight, with a booking coming up later this month, and there’s nothing discernible as a pattern in there).
I’m not very sympathetic to BA at this point. The A380s have been back for long enough - they need to advertise a schedule they can operate reliably.
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BOS cancelled yesterday, so they probably couldn’t afford two cancellations in a row on that route.
Trying to ascertain any sort of pattern with the cancellations is pointless (I’ve been trying to do so myself for the BOS flight, with a booking coming up later this month, and there’s nothing discernible as a pattern in there).
I’m not very sympathetic to BA at this point. The A380s have been back for long enough - they need to advertise a schedule they can operate reliably.
Trying to ascertain any sort of pattern with the cancellations is pointless (I’ve been trying to do so myself for the BOS flight, with a booking coming up later this month, and there’s nothing discernible as a pattern in there).
I’m not very sympathetic to BA at this point. The A380s have been back for long enough - they need to advertise a schedule they can operate reliably.
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I was on G-XLEF back from SIN on Wednesday last week. That was also a toasty boarding experience. Goodness knows how long the APU has been inop.
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XLEI
G-XLEI has just taken off from LHR operating BA57 to JNB - almost three hours late
it had been on the ground in LHR for 12 hours
after pushback - it taxied to the end of the runway - and sat there for 45 minutes
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-xlei
it had been on the ground in LHR for 12 hours
after pushback - it taxied to the end of the runway - and sat there for 45 minutes
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-xlei



