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Covid-19 : Where will BA park their planes?

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The following aircraft are currently in storage.

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Cardiff (8): (Some aircraft are also receiving maintenance)

B777-200ER: G-VIIA/G-VIIL/G-VIIY/G-YMMP/G-RAES

B777-300ER: G-STBD

B787-8: G-ZBJJ

B787-9: G-ZBKS

Doha (3):

A380: G-XLED/G-XLEE/G-XLEJ

Glasgow (7): (Some aircraft are also receiving maintenance)

A319: G-EUPL/G-EUPO

A320: G-EUUH/G-EUUI/G-EUUJ/G-EUUK/G-EUYR

London Gatwick (36):

A319: G-DBCA/G-DBCE/G-DBCF/G-DBCJ/G-EUOA/G-EUOF/G-EUOG/G-EUPG/G-EUPJ/G-EUPK/G-EUPM/G-EUPN/G-EUPP/G-EUPS/G-EUPZ

A320: G-EUUB/G-EUUF/G-EUUN/G-EUUO/G-EUUR/G-EUUW/G-EUYA/G-EUYJ/G-EUYN/G-EUYS/G-EUYV/G-EUYW/G-GATL/G-MIDS

B777-200ER: G-VIIF/VIIG/G-VIIH/G-VIIJ/G-VIIM/G-VIIS/G-VIIX

London Heathrow (5):

A319: G-EUPA/G-EUPB/G-EUPC/G-EUPF/G-EUPH

Madrid (37):

A320: G-EUYD/G-EUYF/G-GATH/G-GATJ/G-GATM/G-GATN/G-GATP/G-GATR/G-GATS/G-MIDO/G-MIDT/G-MIDX/G-MIDY

A321: G-EUXC/G-EUXD/G-EUXE/G-EUXF/G-EUXG/G-EUXH/G-EUXI/G-EUXJ/G-EUXK/G-EUXL/G-EUXM/G-MEDF/G-MEDG/G-MEDJ/G-MEDL/G-MEDM/G-MEDN/G-MEDU

A380: G-XLEF/G-XLEG/G-XLEH/G-XLEI/G-XLEK/G-XLEL

Teruel (5):

A380: G-XLEA/G-XLEB/G-XLEC

B777-200ER: G-VIIV/G-VIIW
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Norwich (13):

E190: G-LCAA/G-LCAB/G-LCAC/G-CLAD/G-LCAE/G-LCAF/G-LCAG/G-LCYK/G-LCYR/G-LCYS/G-LCYT/G-LCYU/G-LCYY

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Old Mar 13, 20, 11:54 am
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Covid-19 : Where will BA park their planes?

G-LCYD/V and G-LCAB have gone to Norwich for storage.
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Old Mar 13, 20, 3:57 pm
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I would imagine the 12 A380s would be the first to go as well as anything on a lease that can be returned. I wonder if the B744s might continue as fuel is cheap, they池e paid for and many recently refurbished. The non refurbs could go ASAP.
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Old Mar 13, 20, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by skipness1E View Post
I would imagine the 12 A380s would be the first to go as well as anything on a lease that can be returned. I wonder if the B744s might continue as fuel is cheap, they池e paid for and many recently refurbished. The non refurbs could go ASAP.
although if you're reducing capacity on a long haul route with two or three flights a day - the A380s might be a useful once a day plane ... depends how brutal the cuts are.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 2:23 am
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Originally Posted by skipness1E View Post
I would imagine the 12 A380s would be the first to go as well as anything on a lease that can be returned. I wonder if the B744s might continue as fuel is cheap, they池e paid for and many recently refurbished. The non refurbs could go ASAP.
I suppose the question is what's cheaper to fly with say 100-150 passengers. Is it an old 744 or a modernish A380?

I think I read somewhere that cargo demand is holding up. Which may help keep the bigger planes flying, if rotations are being cut.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 2:47 am
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I think that it is likely that cuts will be made across all fleets in order that crew hours can be evened out. Imagine the effect on some of BA’s most senior captains if the whole A380 fleet was put into storage!
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Old Mar 14, 20, 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by TedToToe View Post
I think that it is likely that cuts will be made across all fleets in order that crew hours can be evened out. Imagine the effect on some of BA’s most senior captains if the whole A380 fleet was put into storage!
I think that BA would simply crunch the numbers about the best cashflow situation and go with that. I very much doubt that it would worry much about the feelings of the senior... In other words, it would probably do exactly the same as any other company in the same situation...
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Old Mar 14, 20, 4:49 am
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Originally Posted by TorqueDude View Post
I think that BA would simply crunch the numbers about the best cashflow situation and go with that. I very much doubt that it would worry much about the feelings of the senior... In other words, it would probably do exactly the same as any other company in the same situation...
I agree entirely, but they also have to consider coming out the other side with the vast majority of their crew with type ratings intact.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by TedToToe View Post
I agree entirely, but they also have to consider coming out the other side with the vast majority of their crew with type ratings intact.
I'd guess their simulators would be actively used to maintain their ratings...
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Old Mar 14, 20, 9:54 am
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I would suspect that grounding a whole fleet (e.g. A380) has restart implications as mentioned above (not connected to the feelings of senior flight crew!)

As has been said, cargo is still in demand, so while it may look like smaller planes are better from a PAX demand situation, other factors come into play. I would definitely see this as an opportunity to get in front of the maintenance and other down-time operations waves, where that works and if the cash to do so is available.

I imagine the delay is some deliveries isn't so much of an issue right now!

Interesting times to be sure.

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Old Mar 14, 20, 9:58 am
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I would suspect that grounding a whole fleet (e.g. A380) has restart implications as mentioned above (not connected to the feelings of senior flight crew!)

As has been said, cargo is still in demand, so while it may look like smaller planes are better from a PAX demand situation, other factors come into play. I would definitely see this as an opportunity to get in front of the maintenance and other down-time operations waves, where that works and if the cash to do so is available.

I imagine the delay is some deliveries isn't so much of an issue right now!

Interesting times to be sure.

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Yes indeed.

I cant see BA axing it痴 A380s. They池e only around 6/7 years old and probably more efficient to operate than 747s. They would be useful in combining 2 777 or 2 747 flights when operating a reduced schedule.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by BAeuro View Post
G-LCYD/V and G-LCAB have gone to Norwich for storage.
G-LCYU/W and G-LCAA have also gone into storage at Norwich and Southend.

G-LCYG has also gone into Norwich maintenance.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 10:01 am
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Cargo demand has gone through the roof. Those airlines with pure freighters like Cathay and Cargolux cannot schedule enough sectors and don't have enough crew.
The B744's with their huge cargo capacity can just about break even without any passengers. Likewise for the B777's. Less so for the A380's.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 12:00 pm
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BA should seriously consider freight only flights on key pax routes, HKG,SIN,BOM,DEL and consider PVG again, Freight market is very lucrative at the moment with yields more than double out of China.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 12:28 pm
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BA should seriously consider freight only flights on key pax routes, HKG,SIN,BOM,DEL and consider PVG again, Freight market is very lucrative at the moment with yields more than double out of China.
BA have no pure freighters, and so cannot compete with those operators that do.
Lightly loaded passenger flights do however benefit from the underfloor freight contribution.
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Old Mar 14, 20, 1:11 pm
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This Airliners.net posting suggests that Lufthansa is going to do exactly that - use empty passenger flights to fly cargo due to the demand and increased pricing for cargo space.
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