That is much better than trying to decipher the links I sent. I'm still not clear where people will come up from the trains when arriving. The international arrivals also doesn't have much information on it, but it seems that there will be a small waiting area outside the current doors from customs/immigration.

I love the idealized lines for security - with only a few people in each line. My biggest concern with this whole project is what the lines will look like on a busy day. There was a lot more space on the 5th floor for security lines.

There is a rebuild of the escalators at train level in the final phases so you come up more to the south of center terminal.

I think we'll end up with Disney snake lines in that 3D idealized space - and once they blow out the current unused check-in space in that area, I think there will be just as much space on the 6th floor as the 5th. You'll just be in a walled space, not the open-air space of the Grand Hall. Keep in mind that the 3D path shows only the west side, so all that will be duplicated on the east side.

I'm also assuming they'll be able to speed the lines up a bit by building security from scratch, incorporating whatever the latest geegaws TSA wants to use to move things along.

Here's an article describing the project in pretty good detail: https://www.denverpost.com/2018/07/0...ction-impacts/

I realized that you can see it in the video that you linked. It's on the outsides of the concession hall. Basically when you see the new escalators in the middle of the terminal, look to the right side of the screen and you can see glass walls. The up escalators are on the other side of the glass wall (on both sides). I think that you still come up basically in the center of the terminal, but are forced to walk south to get to the non-secure section.

I realize that there will be more space, but it's hard to visualize. In the renderings it really doesn't look like that much space for the snake lines. Hopefully they will have TSA Pre lines on both sides that are open most of the time (currently the North TSA Pre isn't open the same hours as the South TSA Pre line).

All good signs! As a 20 year commercial HVAC contractor, and now the owner of a Test & Balance company, all good indicators. Minor note, the HVAC contractor never performs the T&B, that is subcontracted so as to be impartial.

Visualizing is my specialty.

Here is current Level 5, with the two main security areas in red:





Here is current level 6, with the two red areas moved up to where they are planned to be (the two pics aren't scaled exactly, but very close):






If they cheat into that "Area Under Construction" noted on current Level 6, they'll have ample room.

When I headed out the other day, I saw that the train no longer associates airlines with terminals. This and the other frequent changes finally made them give up, I think. The tape over names on the trains always felt a little cheap.

I still am struggling to imagine all the changes for the Great Hall. The Youtube video did it pretty well. Trying to summarize, so help me where I'm off:

* Mid to South Great Hall Level 5 will be Secured area
* North Great Hall is still a welcome area for International Arrivals
* All of Level 6 inside the ticket counters will be Secured Area. No way to cross from east to west unsecured on 6 (I guess unless you to go 5 and cross at the International arrivals or maybe near the train entrance)

Maybe the one thing I heard and share the most is the idea that you have to funnel north from the ticket counters to enter security to cross into a secured great hall will make for some crazy congestion. That area isn't that big.

Level 6 will be crossable for the southern two-thirds of that level, where the ticket counters will be. The northern one-third of Level 6 will be security/sterile. See 0:37 of the 3D YouTube video.

Maybe we are confusing topics, and maybe that is my fault as I added Smashburger in Concourse B, but I have no understanding of how or why things will improve in the main terminal. I didn't mind the existing setup.

This is a really great video to show how it is going to be.

​​​​​I like how the check in counters are going to be (similar to FRA and a little like Intl SFO), and I really like how there is going to be more food options pre security

I still don't understand why they think people are going to stop and eat/shop in the Great Hall vs going straight to their gate. However I am glad they are not making you walk through a store when you finish security ala FRA Z gates.

Still trying to figure out if arriving passengers will go through this sterile area when getting off the train or if the escalators from the arriving trains will exit non-sterile like it is today.

But it is an early rendering, so is definitely subject to change.

I think arriving pax will come up on escalators into the one-third of Level 5 that will be non-sterile. I've added (my own, not official) labels to this rendering of new Level 5 that should help. Everything inside the red outline is sterile.

I agree that is were they will exit, but there appears to be 8 escalators just to the right of it, with the center ones with down arrows and the ones on the side with up arrows,with what appear to be up arrows, I just can't tell if they will be forced to immediately exit or if they could remain sterile. I tend to think it will remain sterile, as I vaguely remember some of the original pitches for the project said people could come from the concourses to the great hall without leaving security. Although, I don't know if that has changed

I'm sure the shopkeepers would be delighted if they allow arriving pax to choose to go up to the sterile area to part with more of their $$$. The pax would have only one way out, though - down the escalators to train level and immediately up another escalator as an arriving passenger.

It might help to think of the new Great Hall as a mini-concourse - Concourse GH, perhaps.

This is the part of the new design that I really don't like. Today, I get off the A train go up the long escalator then directly into the South security Clear lane - takes about 3 mins total from train to security. After the changes I'll have to schlep thru the new "Welcome" center at the Westin side to the north end, up to level 6 security, and then back to the center of the Great Hall, thru the new mall area to the lower trains. That's going to add another 10-15 mins just in extra walking time.

Yes it "maximizes" pedestrian access to the new concession area by forcing people to traipse back and forth and up and down the new Great Hall like connecting thru Hong Kong or Tokyo. I just want to get thru security and to my gates as quickly as possible.

Not quite. To the left and right of the arriving pax area are escalators to Level 6. You don't have to walk the entire length of Level 5 to get to Level 6.