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Jul 3, 2019, 6:39 am

#4891

oliver2002

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Some kind of sale that ends 03JUL:

Code:


03JUL19**03JUL19/SK STOZRH/NSP;EH/TPM   897/MPM  1076
LN FARE BASIS    OW   SEK  RT   B PEN  DATES/DAYS   AP MIN MAX R
01+YSKOW         9570           Y  -  A05FEB B18AUG  -  -   -  M
                                      O18AUG   -
02+YSK                    15948 Y  -  A05FEB B18AUG  -  -   -  M
                                      O18AUG   -
03+YSEOWY        2591           Y  -  A05FEB B18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      O18AUG   -
04+YSERTY                  3988 Y  -  A05FEB B18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      O18AUG   -
05+SSEOWY        1961           S  -  A05FEB B18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      O18AUG   -
06+SSERTY                  3024 S  -  A05FEB B18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      O18AUG   -
07+BSEOWY        1031           B  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
08+PSEOWY         871           P  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
09+BSERTY                  1588 B  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
>                                                 PAGE  2/ 3
LN FARE BASIS    OW   SEK  RT   B PEN  DATES/DAYS   AP MIN MAX R
10+BSOSAVER       711           B  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
11+PSERTY                  1337 P  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
12+BSRSAVER                1088 B  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
13+PSOSAVER       541           P  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
14+ASERTY                  1030 A  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
15+ASEOWY         511           A  -  A05FEB O18AUG+ -  -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
16+PSRSAVER                 837 P  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
17+ASRSAVER                 530 A  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
18+ASOSAVER       261           A  +  A05FEB O18AUG+  + -   -  R
                                      M03JUL   -
>                                                 PAGE  3/ 3

Both SK flights wide open. Didn't you reserve a seat????

Code:


AN12JUNSTOZRH/ASK/KW
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** ZRH ZURICH.CH                345 FR 12JUN 0000
 1   SK 605  Y9 S9 B9 P9          /ARN 5 ZRH    0720    0945  E0/320       2:25
 2LX:SK3509  Y4 S4 B4 PL AL       /ARN 5 ZRH    1000    1230  E0/321       2:30
 3LX:SK3515  Y4 S4 B4 PL AL       /ARN 5 ZRH    1515    1740  E0/320       2:25
 4   SK1605  Y9 S9 B9 P9          /ARN 5 ZRH    1615    1840  E0/320       2:25
 5LX:SK3511  Y4 S4 B4 PL AL       /ARN 5 ZRH    1935    2200  E0/321       2:25
 6   SK 407  Y9 S9 B9 P9          /ARN 5 CPH 3  1615    1725  E0/32A
     SK 609  Y9 S9 B9 P9          /CPH 3 ZRH    1805    1945  E0/32A       3:30
 7   SK 409  Y9 S9 B9             /ARN 5 CPH 3  1805    1920  E0/32A
  LX:SK3507  Y4 S4 B4 P4 AL       /CPH 2 ZRH    2000    2145  E0/320       3:40
 8   SK 405  Y9 S9 B9 P9 A9       /ARN 5 CPH 3  1245    1355  E0/32A
  LX:SK3505  Y4 S4 B4 P4 AL       /CPH 2 ZRH    1450    1635  E0/321       3:50

>

sm/1/a/v

SM SK 0605/A/12JUNARNZRH/V
SM SK  0605  A 12JUN ARNZRH        320
        A  B  C     D  E  F 
C  1 B  L  L  L     L  L  L  B 1  C
   2    .  .  .     .  .  .    2   
   3    .  .  .     .  .  .    3   
   4    .  .  .     .  .  .    4   
   5    .  .  .     .  .  .    5   
   6    .  .  .     .  .  .    6   
        A  B  C     D  E  F 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT 
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET 
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L LEGROOM U UMNR
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR
Y CHARGEABLE

>

sm/4/a/v

SM SK 1605/A/12JUNARNZRH/V                                                      
SM SK  1605  A 12JUN ARNZRH        320                                          
        A  B  C     D  E  F                                                     
C  1 B  L  L  L     L  L  L  B 1  C                                             
   2    .  .  .     .  .  .    2                                                
   3    .  .  .     .  .  .    3                                                
   4    .  .  .     .  .  .    4                                                
   5    .  .  .     .  .  .    5                                                
        A  B  C     D  E  F                                                     
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
                                                                                
. AVAILABLE   <> WING     F GEN FACI   K GALLEY   E EXIT    C COT               
+ OCCUPIED    - LAST OFF  H HANDICAP   Q QUIET    G GROUPS  P PET               
/ RESTRICTED  B BULKHEAD  V PREF.SEAT  X BLOCKED  L LEGROOM U UMNR              
() SMOKING    D DEPORTEE  UP UP-DECK   Z NO FILM  I INFANT  R REAR              
Y CHARGEABLE

Jul 3, 2019, 6:50 am

#4892

Nick Art

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Posts: 3,152

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

2*23 from the ticket, 2*23 from EBG. *G will get 1*23.

Oh thanks! I wasn't aware of this benefit and have never seen it listed on the SK website tbh... But that's great! Learned something new today!

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver2002

Some kind of sale that ends 03JUL:

03JUL19**03JUL19/SK STOZRH/NSP;EH/TPM 897/MPM 1076
LN FARE BASIS OW SEK RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01+YSKOW 9570 Y - A05FEB B18AUG - - - M
O18AUG -
02+YSK 15948 Y - A05FEB B18AUG - - - M
O18AUG -
03+YSEOWY 2591 Y - A05FEB B18AUG+ - - - R
O18AUG -
04+YSERTY 3988 Y - A05FEB B18AUG+ - - - R
O18AUG -
05+SSEOWY 1961 S - A05FEB B18AUG+ - - - R
O18AUG -
06+SSERTY 3024 S - A05FEB B18AUG+ - - - R
O18AUG -
07+BSEOWY 1031 B - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
08+PSEOWY 871 P - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
09+BSERTY 1588 B - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
> PAGE 2/ 3
LN FARE BASIS OW SEK RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
10+BSOSAVER 711 B + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
11+PSERTY 1337 P - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
12+BSRSAVER 1088 B + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
13+PSOSAVER 541 P + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
14+ASERTY 1030 A - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
15+ASEOWY 511 A - A05FEB O18AUG+ - - - R
M03JUL -
16+PSRSAVER 837 P + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
17+ASRSAVER 530 A + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
18+ASOSAVER 261 A + A05FEB O18AUG+ + - - R
M03JUL -
> PAGE 3/ 3

Both SK flights wide open. Didn't you reserve a seat????

AN12JUNSTOZRH/ASK/KW
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** ZRH ZURICH.CH 345 FR 12JUN 0000
1 SK 605 Y9 S9 B9 P9 /ARN 5 ZRH 0720 0945 E0/320 2:25
2LX:SK3509 Y4 S4 B4 PL AL /ARN 5 ZRH 1000 1230 E0/321 2:30
3LX:SK3515 Y4 S4 B4 PL AL /ARN 5 ZRH 1515 1740 E0/320 2:25
4 SK1605 Y9 S9 B9 P9 /ARN 5 ZRH 1615 1840 E0/320 2:25
5LX:SK3511 Y4 S4 B4 PL AL /ARN 5 ZRH 1935 2200 E0/321 2:25
6 SK 407 Y9 S9 B9 P9 /ARN 5 CPH 3 1615 1725 E0/32A
SK 609 Y9 S9 B9 P9 /CPH 3 ZRH 1805 1945 E0/32A 3:30
7 SK 409 Y9 S9 B9 /ARN 5 CPH 3 1805 1920 E0/32A
LX:SK3507 Y4 S4 B4 P4 AL /CPH 2 ZRH 2000 2145 E0/320 3:40
8 SK 405 Y9 S9 B9 P9 A9 /ARN 5 CPH 3 1245 1355 E0/32A
LX:SK3505 Y4 S4 B4 P4 AL /CPH 2 ZRH 1450 1635 E0/321 3:50

>

sm/1/a/v

SM SK 0605/A/12JUNARNZRH/V
SM SK 0605 A 12JUN ARNZRH 320
A B C D E F
C 1 B L L L L L L B 1 C
2 . . . . . . 2
3 . . . . . . 3
4 . . . . . . 4
5 . . . . . . 5
6 . . . . . . 6
A B C D E F

. AVAILABLE <> WING F GEN FACI K GALLEY E EXIT C COT
+ OCCUPIED - LAST OFF H HANDICAP Q QUIET G GROUPS P PET
/ RESTRICTED B BULKHEAD V PREF.SEAT X BLOCKED L LEGROOM U UMNR
() SMOKING D DEPORTEE UP UP-DECK Z NO FILM I INFANT R REAR
Y CHARGEABLE

>

sm/4/a/v

SM SK 1605/A/12JUNARNZRH/V
SM SK 1605 A 12JUN ARNZRH 320
A B C D E F
C 1 B L L L L L L B 1 C
2 . . . . . . 2
3 . . . . . . 3
4 . . . . . . 4
5 . . . . . . 5
A B C D E F

. AVAILABLE <> WING F GEN FACI K GALLEY E EXIT C COT
+ OCCUPIED - LAST OFF H HANDICAP Q QUIET G GROUPS P PET
/ RESTRICTED B BULKHEAD V PREF.SEAT X BLOCKED L LEGROOM U UMNR
() SMOKING D DEPORTEE UP UP-DECK Z NO FILM I INFANT R REAR
Y CHARGEABLE

I suspected it was a sale, but I didn't see it being promoted anywhere.
I did actually reserve two seats when the prices were as low as 91.- for Plus, SK 1605, 12th Sep.

I'm just curious why the prices seem to jump around all over the place during the day (I've seen 175.- for P, 145.- for B, 127.- for A and 91.- for A all for the same flight (SK1605) in the last few hours in no order whatsoever). But I don't really mind, I mean I got my tickets when the prices were lowest

Jul 3, 2019, 7:00 am

#4893

East_and_West

Join Date: Mar 2018

Location: ARN

Programs: A3*G, SK*G

Posts: 336

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Art

Also are there some new baggage rules I am not aware of?

Companion is *S and gets 2 pieces of baggage as it's included in SAS Plus, however, I somehow get 4 as EBG? Wait what? I always thought I only get one additional piece of baggage as every *G and a maximum amount of 3 on any given flight. But 4?! That's the same amount I get on Swiss in First Class!

Could very well be that this is normal and I just never noticed.

Hasn't it always (at least as far as I can remember...) been that EBS get +1 bag and EBG/EBD get +2 bags on SK/WF flights? Non-EB *S gets nada, that's why your companion gets 2 bags in total.

Come on, if they were to be any changes in the rules of EB nowadays, they would most likely remove or "enhance" existing benefits, not add new ones...

Jul 3, 2019, 7:05 am

#4894

CPH-Flyer

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jul 2011

Location: Tokyo

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Posts: 21,166

Quote:

Originally Posted by East_and_West

It was not always two bags for EBG. I can't remember exactly when it changed, but I can say for sure in January 2012 it was only 1 extra bag for EBG as well as for *G

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Jul 3, 2019, 7:12 am

#4895

East_and_West

Join Date: Mar 2018

Location: ARN

Programs: A3*G, SK*G

Posts: 336

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

It was not always two bags for EBG. I can't remember exactly when it changed, but I can say for sure in January 2012 it was only 1 extra bag for EBG as well as for *G

Yes, it could very well have been so, but I don't think I ever wondered about this. Back then at least one free bag would be included even in the cheapest fares, and I seldom fly with a second checked bag, let alone a third one...

Jul 3, 2019, 7:48 am

#4896

CPH-Flyer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by East_and_West

The reason I can place Jan 2012 is that I moved an needed to check four pieces, way below weight limit of 3*32, but above the count. (J long haul 2*32 and EBG 1*32 was my limit) I have never since checked more than 2 pieces.

Jul 3, 2019, 12:31 pm

#4897

nacho

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Join Date: Aug 2010

Location: CPH

Programs: UAMP S, TK M&S E (*G), Marriott LTP, IHG P, SK EBG

Posts: 11,095

Quote:

Originally Posted by highupinthesky

We use concur too, where I work, and there is no issues with selecting AI for CPH-DEL or other airports in India. I actually think it's the preferred airline for us. Our TA (CWT) has no issues issuing tickets for AI nor handling disruptions or changes.

I've only tried AI once. On the outbound leg the service was kind of void. They were friendly and if you asked for something they would bring it, but the serving of food was like the just handed you the tray and were off to the next. This with 33% empty seats. On the inbound leg I was upgraded to bizz by the client as a thank for saving their .... The service here was much better but more than 50% of the seats were empty. My biggest "complaints" was the state of the bird. It was a 3 and 5 year old dreamliner and the cabine was almost as rundown as LN-RKP. On top of that they had to fly around Pakistan which of course meant delays which I only learned when I arrived at the airport, both on the outbound and inbound leg. On the outbound leg, it wasn't even announced on check-my-trip until 2 hours before scheduled departure, despite the plane at that point in time still were 4 hours away from CPH. In total the flight changed departure time 3 times before we finally left CPH.

Mr.'s employer uses FCM - they are incompetent at best. I think I can takeover their job. They don't try to save $ for their clients and book flights that makes people having to squat in an airport for 12 hours. Mr. has reported to his boss telling her that AI is an option.

I tried AI once (HKG-KIX), yes the bird was really worn out and service was meh but the schedule was top notch, fly out early and return after noon. I know their flights are worn but I have seen worse (we went to Malta with Danskfolkferie 10 years ago and that plane was......)

Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver2002

AI leaving Amadeus is a major pain in the ...
Most travel providers in Europe use 1A, so it doesn't show. Some have Sabre or Travelport instead so AI still shows there. More here: Air India stops distributing via Amadeus

The pak airspace closure is a pain too. We got caught in it a few days after it was announced. The irreg handling of AI was surprisingly good. AI business to me is on par with the other third tier *A airlines. If it costs 1800-2000€ return you can live with it.

The link doesn't work. I guess the air space issue should be solved by now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fassy

Also only used AI once from BLR-BOM and the A320/321 also was the most worn down bird I ever set foot on. I was in business class and let's say... it was not great. Seat dirty, broken and old, service meh, food horrible (actually do not care about catering on such a short flight) and seat neighbours terrible (well, nothing AI can do about that).

Not keen on repeating that experience. But survivable for such a short flight.

But I also heard quite good things about AI from some of my colleagues. So, perhaps like SK consistent inconsistent?

I think it's really depend on your expectation, you can't compare AI with LX , LH even TK. For Mr., he sleeps on board and what happens around him doesn't matter, he barely touches any plane food unless he thinks it looks interesting (when he is not sleeping). He told me that he received very good service - not QR level but certainly better than SK. The food is not exactly his taste as he only eats plane food on TK. Also flying makes people dirty anyway, he feels dirty even before boarding from walking through security and sitting on a plane made him sweats too, so I don't think anything will bother him unless there's a rat biting him when he is sleeping

The business class amenity bag was amazing though - everything is in real size, i.e. 30ml and I think it's better than LH/UA/AA and TK.

Jul 3, 2019, 12:54 pm

#4898

oliver2002

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Air space continues to be blocked. Big problem to Delhi and all of South east Asia.

https://ops.group/blog/pakistan-india/

Jul 3, 2019, 1:41 pm

#4899

highupinthesky

Join Date: Mar 2016

Location: Preferable @30.000 feet

Programs: More than one

Posts: 1,673

Quote:

Originally Posted by nacho

They don't try to save $ for their clients and book flights that makes people having to squat in an airport for 12 hours

CWT doesn't do anything to try to save $ for their clients either. They only follow the policy set by the client. I recently had to ask CWT to change a credit card on a hotel booking. Instead of calling the hotel they canceled the booking and booked a new room which was 25% more expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nacho

I tried AI once (HKG-KIX), yes the bird was really worn out and service was meh but the schedule was top notch, fly out early and return after noon. I know their flights are worn but I have seen worse (we went to Malta with Danskfolkferie 10 years ago and that plane was......)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nacho

The link doesn't work. I guess the air space issue should be solved by now?

Unfortunately not https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...ai158#2121194f but the flight schedule has been adjusted so there are no more delays.
I wonder what they will do if the airspace over Iran is closed too.

Jul 3, 2019, 2:51 pm

#4900

GUWonder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by highupinthesky

Then they will say hi more to the FSU and China.

Jul 4, 2019, 2:55 am

#4901

fassy

Join Date: Sep 2012

Location: AGH

Posts: 5,979

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUWonder

Then they will say hi more to the FSU and China.

So far BA is flying south of Iran airspace over the Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman following the FAA advisory to avoid Iranian airspace.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...835Z/EGLL/VIDP

Seems LH and some others don't care and keep flying over Iranian airspace for now.

see also, https://simpleflying.com/airlines-av...nian-airspace/

Jul 4, 2019, 3:58 am

#4902

Jainzar

Join Date: Jun 2015

Programs: AY+, SK EB

Posts: 2,960

Quote:

Originally Posted by fassy

Seems LH and some others don't care and keep flying over Iranian airspace for now.

see also, https://simpleflying.com/airlines-av...nian-airspace/

Reading your link, "don't care" is the wrong term.

Quote:

[...] both Lufthansa and KLM are keenly avoiding the Strait.

So they avoid where the tension is. In addition LH flies to IKA. I would say it is impossible to fly to IKA without entering Iranian airspace.

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Jul 4, 2019, 4:15 am

#4903

fassy

Join Date: Sep 2012

Location: AGH

Posts: 5,979

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jainzar

Reading your link, "don't care" is the wrong term.

So they avoid where the tension is. In addition LH flies to IKA. I would say it is impossible to fly to IKA without entering Iranian airspace.

True, no way to get to IKA any other way... And as German I'm allowed to say, our government seems to think the Mullahs are a real nice bunch anyways and kiss up to them whenever there is a chance, which involves flying a lot of engineering, bankers and government officials over there all the time to help them out. So, I guess the risk for LH is minimal. Iran would cut of their own lifeblood in form of Germoney coming in by that. I leave it at that trying to tip-toe around OMNI

Jul 4, 2019, 4:41 am

#4904

JR67

Join Date: Nov 2014

Location: CPH, Swedish side of the bridge

Programs: SK*G (EBD)

Posts: 574

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

I am with you - I also clearly remember 1 extra for gold. Don't know when it stopped though. I do have a clear memory of flying 2016. Family in Plus (got a 5 pax CU to J on the home route) CPH-IAD-CPH. October or November. I was EBD, wife and son EBG, and daughters (2) with no status. We had a total baggage allowance of 16 pieces. Would have had to rent a truck to get home if we had used it... :-)

Jul 4, 2019, 5:14 am

#4905

nacho

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Aug 2010

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Posts: 11,095

Quote:

Originally Posted by highupinthesky

Exactly, where's the common sense of these people? Then your boss will have to approve an expense that's 25% more than the original cost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by highupinthesky

I would most likely use AI on my next India trip too. Their schedule is quite good and just as I don't mind flying LN-RKP, I don't mind flying the run down AI dreamliners, My comment was more related to how fast a cabin can become run down if it isn't maintained. I have been on other longhaul flights with run down cabins, but never on birds which are less than 5 years old. It has always been on birds which was at least 10 years old or close to a D check with cabin refurbishment

Unfortunately not https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...ai158#2121194f but the flight schedule has been adjusted so there are no more delays.
I wonder what they will do if the airspace over Iran is closed too.

Their schedule is certainly much better than LH/AF to BLR - I just don't get it why they have to arrive at BLR 1 or 3 am in the morning (my guess they need to ship people from the hubs in CDG/FRA from their US flights). It doesn't make sense to spend a whole day on the plane and then arrive at odd times and have very little rest before working. On the way back to Europe is crazy too - I think departing BLR was like either 1 or 3am - what would Mr. do during those time? He can't work and he will have to book the hotel for an extra day, unless he "hangs" around at his office until 20:00 and then "hang" at the airport.

I used to fly AF many years ago and at HKG the ground staff said their cabin wear and tear was insane too. I think fast wear and tear is more common in Asia than Europe, went to a newly opened Westin in Malaysia and you can already wear and tear in the room.

It's a shame we don't get more miles by filing detour.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GUWonder

Then they will say hi more to the FSU and China.

I seriously doubt that - China and India are not friends, maybe FSU.