BART Commuters Warned To Prepare For Potential Strike
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I think the information missing here is that the vast majority of these people are engineers and other highly-skilled laborers who could make more working comparable jobs in private industry.
Not saying that it's still not a lot of money, but these aren't your run-of-the-mill train operators and station agents that are easy to replace.
Not saying that it's still not a lot of money, but these aren't your run-of-the-mill train operators and station agents that are easy to replace.
BART should go driverless and find people with some customer service skills to replace station agents.
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I think the information missing here is that the vast majority of these people are engineers and other highly-skilled laborers who could make more working comparable jobs in private industry.
Not saying that it's still not a lot of money, but these aren't your run-of-the-mill train operators and station agents that are easy to replace.
Not saying that it's still not a lot of money, but these aren't your run-of-the-mill train operators and station agents that are easy to replace.
The real issue here wasn't as much salary but overtime. The unions have ridiculous work rules which keep payrolls inflated and rampant overtime. And come on - $100k on a non-college education for a low stress, low physical, low wattage job with huge benefits and lifetime job security is pretty sweet.
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Nice drive home from OAK at 3pm today with traffic moving at the speed limit.
If it was only that easy. They also run the trains on manual mode which requires complicated instructions in a technical language a lay person would not understand, and may involve exiting the cab to set switches if they don't automatically change on their own or fail. They're also trained in evacuation procedures which will differ based on whether you're at ground level, elevated, or in a tunnel. They're also versed on use of rescue trains, something that is a major consideration in any incident in the TransBay tube. This all involves working outside the train with electrified tracks. I remember an employee being electrocuted to death in one of the train yards during my tenure there. It can be a dangerous work environment when you're outside the train cab.
If all they had to was watch the doors and make announcements the training class would not be 4 months long, and they wouldn't require testing during the training that could easily flunk you out of the class. Some of tests they are given have to be passed the first time with a grade of 85% or you're gone.
I worked with a police dispatcher that went through the training to be a part time train operator and she told me it was the hardest training course she had ever been through. Seem to recall less than half her class made it through training.
It may not require much to get in the door, but that's no guarantee you're going to make it through the training course.
If all they had to was watch the doors and make announcements the training class would not be 4 months long, and they wouldn't require testing during the training that could easily flunk you out of the class. Some of tests they are given have to be passed the first time with a grade of 85% or you're gone.
I worked with a police dispatcher that went through the training to be a part time train operator and she told me it was the hardest training course she had ever been through. Seem to recall less than half her class made it through training.
It may not require much to get in the door, but that's no guarantee you're going to make it through the training course.
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If it was only that easy. They also run the trains on manual mode which requires complicated instructions in a technical language a lay person would not understand, and may involve exiting the cab to set switches if they don't automatically change on their own or fail. They're also trained in evacuation procedures which will differ based on whether you're at ground level, elevated, or in a tunnel. They're also versed on use of rescue trains, something that is a major consideration in any incident in the TransBay tube. This all involves working outside the train with electrified tracks. I remember an employee being electrocuted to death in one of the train yards during my tenure there. It can be a dangerous work environment when you're outside the train cab.
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Stations agents had to deal with jammed ticket machines and fare gates pretty regularly, so they probably have some training for that. Most of the time I dealt with them it involved ticket validation issues/fare disputes or problems reported to them on the platform (fighting, smoking) or station entrances (loitering, panhandling). I don't know how long their class is, but couldn't imagine it being anything near what train operators get because they're not expected to be out on the tracks.
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(in re Train operators)They also run the trains on manual mode which requires complicated instructions in a technical language a lay person would not understand, and may involve exiting the cab to set switches if they don't automatically change on their own or fail. They're also trained in evacuation procedures which will differ based on whether you're at ground level, elevated, or in a tunnel. They're also versed on use of rescue trains, something that is a major consideration in any incident in the TransBay tube. This all involves working outside the train with electrified tracks. I remember an employee being electrocuted to death in one of the train yards during my tenure there. It can be a dangerous work environment when you're outside the train cab.
If all they had to was watch the doors and make announcements the training class would not be 4 months long, and they wouldn't require testing during the training that could easily flunk you out of the class. Some of tests they are given have to be passed the first time with a grade of 85% or you're gone.
Given the slow-down in rail jobs brought on the the economic slump, I'm betting that a *lot* of the BNSF & UP extra-board crews would LOVE to have a job that paid more, had a less demanding schedule, and regular hours.

