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any LDW from rental co = no coverage from credit card?

Old Apr 21, 19, 1:56 pm
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any LDW from rental co = no coverage from credit card?

I am sure this has been discussed here, but I am not sure how to find it.

I have a credit card with primary LDW outside the US, no deductible. If I pay for the minimum level of coverage from the renter (Europcar), which comes with a high deductible (~$1400) and does not cover wheels/tires/lights, is that a Catch-22? What I mean is, would it actually cost me more money if there are any losses, since I haven't followed the CC requirement to decline rental company's coverage?

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Old Apr 21, 19, 11:43 pm
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Only way to find out is to check the terms and conditions for your credit card.
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Old Apr 22, 19, 12:13 am
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Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly View Post
I have a credit card with primary LDW outside the US, no deductible. If I pay for the minimum level of coverage from the renter (Europcar), which comes with a high deductible (~$1400) and does not cover wheels/tires/lights, is that a Catch-22? What I mean is, would it actually cost me more money if there are any losses, since I haven't followed the CC requirement to decline rental company's coverage?
Assuming the CC honors the primary LDW coverage, there is no need to purchase another LDW coverage from the rental.

Nevertheless, subject to applicable T&Cs, the following should happen in case when the LDW coverage is triggered:

1. Car rental's own LDW coverage has the highest priority (because the car rental company will never bother working with others).

2. If there is any amount that the car rental LDW does not cover, the credit card will take care the rest.
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Old Apr 22, 19, 6:10 am
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
2. If there is any amount that the car rental LDW does not cover, the credit card will take care the rest.
Generally, no, it won't. The typical terms and conditions for credit card CDW specify that it's only valid if you decline the rental company's CDW. If you take the rental company's coverage, then the credit card CDW won't apply at all.
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Old Apr 22, 19, 7:04 am
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Only way to find out is to check the terms and conditions for your credit card.
I have, it just says I should decline the coverage. It does not state what happens if I don't. Both my current credit cards (from different issuers) have the same language.

I guess I don't feel entirely comfortable having no AutoEurope coverage; they say I am on the hook for the full price of the car. Some reports say AutoEurope is aggressive about finding flaws that they then bill you for---the CC will pay but it's a hassle.

Anyway, I know can just buy full (zero duductible) coverage if I want; I was just curious about how it works.

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Generally, no, it won't. The typical terms and conditions for credit card CDW specify that it's only valid if you decline the rental company's CDW. If you take the rental company's coverage, then the credit card CDW won't apply at all.
Read again:

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Nevertheless, subject to applicable T&Cs...
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Originally Posted by SeeBuyFly View Post
I have, it just says I should decline the coverage. It does not state what happens if I don't. Both my current credit cards (from different issuers) have the same language.

I guess I don't feel entirely comfortable having no AutoEurope coverage; they say I am on the hook for the full price of the car. Some reports say AutoEurope is aggressive about finding flaws that they then bill you for---the CC will pay but it's a hassle.

Anyway, I know can just buy full (zero duductible) coverage if I want; I was just curious about how it works.
If the credit-card insurance terms say that you must decline the rental-car company's LDW to trigger the credit card's coverage, why would you assume that the card's coverage will be triggered if you purchase an optional, partial LDW from the rental-car company?

If you don't want the hassle of dealing with the credit-card's insurer in the event of an accident, then you can pay the rental-car company's fees for LDW coverage -- either full or partial, depending upon your risk tolerance.
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Old Apr 22, 19, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Assuming the CC honors the primary LDW coverage, there is no need to purchase another LDW coverage from the rental.

Nevertheless, subject to applicable T&Cs, the following should happen in case when the LDW coverage is triggered:

1. Car rental's own LDW coverage has the highest priority (because the car rental company will never bother working with others).

2. If there is any amount that the car rental LDW does not cover, the credit card will take care the rest.
Can you cite even one credit card whose rental-car coverage terms and conditions state that purchasing optional, partial-LDW coverage from a rental-car company will not void the card's coverage? I'm not saying that no such card exists, but I've never heard of a credit card whose coverage would still apply if a cardholder were to purchase optional LDW coverage from the rental-car company.
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Old Apr 22, 19, 1:33 pm
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As the rental-car companies -- at least in the U.S. -- are quick to point out, LDW (loss/damage waiver) is not insurance; it is simply a waiver of the rental-car company's right to pursue the renter in the event that loss or certain types of damage occur while the car is rented to the renter.

See, for example:

https://www.nationalcar.com/en/suppo...ge-waiver.html

and

https://www.budget.com/en/products-s...-damage-waiver

(Again, I have no idea if LDW is treated differently in Europe.)
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Originally Posted by guv1976 View Post
As the rental-car companies -- at least in the U.S. -- are quick to point out, LDW (loss/damage waiver) is not insurance; it is simply a waiver of the rental-car company's right to pursue the renter in the event that loss or certain types of damage occur while the car is rented to the renter.
While it is true that many car rental companies will not consider optional coverage as insurance, the reality is LDW coverage works exactly like insurance. Just because a car rental company says it is not, it does not mean it is not insurance.

Also - for each location that sells optional coverage, the car rental personnel selling the coverage must be licensed by the state's insurance regulatory agency. They are usually known as rental car agent or limited line agent.

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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
While it is true that many car rental companies will not consider optional coverage as insurance, the reality is LDW coverage works exactly like insurance. Just because a car rental company says it is not, it does not mean it is not insurance.
It isn't insurance. It functions LIKE insurance, but it isn't insurance. It's a WAIVER, under which the rental car company agrees, for an upfront fee, not waive any claims they might have against you for damage to their vehicle.

Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Also - for each location that sells optional coverage, the car rental personnel selling the coverage must be licensed by the state's insurance regulatory agency. They are usually known as rental car agent or limited line agent.
This is because the liability insurance that rental car companies sell actually IS insurance. They sell liability insurance (typically dubbed SLI or something similar) under which the rental car company is providing you with insurance against claims by a third party. They also sell personal accident insurance, personal effects coverage, etc. In all these cases, the rental car company is agreeing (or their partner insurer is agreeing) to cover your losses or someone else's losses. This is insurance. LDW/CDW when provided by the rental car company isn't insurance,
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Old Apr 23, 19, 11:33 am
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Chase and Citi are very clear that their credit card coverage only applies if you decline the CDW from the rental company. Amex will apparently let you pay for a partial CDW from the rental car company, although I've never seen one of those in the US market.

For Chase: "If you accept the collision damage waiver offered by the rental company, you will not be eligible for Auto Rental CDW."

For Citibank: "We will cover you up to $50,000 toward the cost of repairs or the cash value of the car, whichever is less, if a covered accident or theft occurs when you pay for a rental car with your Citi card and/or ThankYou® Points and decline the rental company’s collision loss/damage insurance."

For Amex: "Coverage for Theft of or Damage to an eligible Rental Vehicle is activated when...You decline the full collision damage waiver (CDW) or similar option, or pay for a partial collision damage waiver, offered by the Rental Company"
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