ual902

Award tickets are not really free, the Airlines do make money when one travels on Award tickets, just to get the Award is cause you are using a credit card or being loyal to an Airline that makes the Airline money!

craz

Not always I will requalify for UA 1K for '12 @ < $2000 out of pocket, those 100K EQMs = 200K RDMs which can land me in Biz/FC on an Intl flight that would have brought 5 figures to that Carrier, on the other hand if I was dumb enough to purchase even a Y tkt to TLV I would be paying > .10 cpm for the cheapest ElCheapo and earn all of 11k EQMs while that same $$ can bring me in well over 25K in EQMs on domestic flights

so yes a Carrier will in some way get some $ for the miles it took for the so called free tkt, but if played correctly very little at that and at times a person can walk away making some $$ eg a recent trip that cost me $200 yielded me a VDB worth $400

this is exactly why I said Full Fare passengers may have a way to change things, once a Carrier pulls up my acct they wont listen , now had I been spending say $50K to make 1K and not <$2K and others doing likewise speak up Im sure any carrier will at least look it over to see if they want to change the way they are doing something, when they pull up and see the Compaliners are either on Free tkts or heavy discounted tkts they will simply move on to the next isuue at hand. and I dont Blame them

ual902

Very true, also on a recent CX HKG-JFK Flight in F, the F Flight attendant told me he has a list of exactly who paid and how much they paid, and who is flying on an award and who was using upgrades!


Pretty much he told me 3 people paid not sure full fare or from discount consolidator and 3 people were using upgrades and awards including myself!

HONcircle

First time I hear such a story. And what is the reason why a flight attendant would have such a list available?

HONcircle

In fact, you are admitting yourself that most of us in order to cut costs do not purchase full fares. And besides, the difference in $$$ for a full fare exceed by far 10's if not 100's of KSML F and C.

craz

All I said was if a person expects any Carrier to listen and maybe change things, then the best way that may happen is if those complaining or inquiring are Full Fare Passengers. If the Carrier checks and sees that those asking for changes which will cost the Carrier more $$$ then if those passengers generally arent Full Fare passengers the Carrier will most likely not do anything but toss it in the circular file

It is a #s game but not the # of people complaining but $$$ that are being spent on tkts (there was athread some time ago by a guy in Panama who was miffed that his company was spending alot on tkts very yr and yet not 1 person was made a GS by UA, turned out they dont purchase Full fare nor anything but Coach). So the type of fares purchased does matter

N1120A

Don't the ex-FRA KSML's on LH come from some rather well known local restaurant that is well liked by those who keep Kosher?

crazypalooza

I'm in dissagreement. I think if the airline gets enough people complaining they'll think about it. Either way there's nothing to lose in trying!

travellerK

From what I've seen, all ex-FRA meals come from the same place, with local kosher certification. It is liked by some and not by others. I am going to try to do my own research on it as I have a couple of ex-FRA flights coming up.

You can PM me for my qualifications on this subject.

HONcircle

Please keep us posted, as I am unable to find back the details of the caterer for LH flights ex-FRA.

FF

It's the Sohar Restaurant. Excellent meals - and I'd say that if they aren't as good as the Hermolis ones then they're a dashed close second.

A very nice starter for lunch here:

HONcircle

http://www.sohars-restaurant.com/www...szeiten_en.php
Opened on saturday from 12.00 to 14.00. Intresting

craz

you can find the samething with the restaurants in Budapest,Vienna,Prague, Berlin in other words these restaurants are opened for a few hours on Shabbos for meals you must Prepay and nothing is being cooked. i would think the same is with Sohar, drop in with a CC or cash in hand and they wont take it but if they have extra food will feed you and ask that you come back after Shabbos to settle up

if they didnt show any hrs as being opened I would assume there was no way to be able to eat Lunch there on Shabbos afternoon and isnt saying they arent Shomer Shabbos but simply saying they are open for meals 12-14

HONcircle

Got you. Should have been Dan Le Kaf Z'chut. ^

crazypalooza

Just to update, I had the upgraded kosher meal made by borenstein exclusive to jfk>hkg and surprisingly it was very edible, and I wasnt unhappy. Can't remember exactly what they served for each meal as it was over a week ago, think dinner was meat, snack was a turkey sandwich and breakfast was blintzes. food was relatviely tasty.

Had hermolis on hkg>pek as a breakfast meal and shockingly, the food was inedible!!! The eggs were waterlogged and soggy and the bagel was so stale it was inedible even drenched in butter/jelly.

had hermolis pek>hkg and for breakfast at 7:40 am was served hot turkey and kishka, but it was ok so not complaining.

had hermolis hkg>jfk. I think they changed the kosher meal policy (policy was to only use upgraded meal from jfk>hkg and not on any other route or direction) for the return as it seemed to be upgraded meals. Dinner was cooked salmon course (not that great, but still nice that they had an extra course) and lamb for the main. the lamb and sides served with it were excellent! snack was turkey pastrami sandwhich which looked fine, but didn't eat it, as I didnt want to be fleishig at that point, so opted for the haagan daaz instead. breakfast was an upgraded version of what I had on hkg>pek, with more food and sides being served, however I didnt even bother trying the eggs after how bad they were previously, and once again the bagel was stale and inedible, although this time they gave a roll also which was fine.