Apr 16, 2018, 1:34 am
Last edit by: Seat54
Inaugural Flight Wiki:
Flight Number // FT username // Seat Number // Connecting from/to
QR324 : lost_in_translation : classified : QR874 (DOH-CAN)
QR323 : seat54 : 7K : QR831 (BKK - DOH)
QR324 : seat54 : 7K : QR946 (DOH - SIN)
Flight Number // FT username // Seat Number // Connecting from/to
QR324 : lost_in_translation : classified : QR874 (DOH-CAN)
QR323 : seat54 : 7K : QR831 (BKK - DOH)
QR324 : seat54 : 7K : QR946 (DOH - SIN)
The CWL (Cardiff) Master Thread
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Oct 8, 2018, 3:12 am
#197
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: London
Programs: Many. Too many. I came here to cut them down. I failed.
Posts: 2,999
Howdy all you vastly more experienced CWL travellers! A friend is looking to book CWL-KBV (may route through HKT if connections are poor) next May. I mentioned that QR has habits of picking up and dropping new destinations, and being the beginning of low season, next May may see some trimming of schedules for both these routes, especially CWL.
So, what's the general feel of the CWL route? Is it likely to stick? It seems to have been 'moderately succesful' and at least we know that QR aren't going to swap it out for a A319 via RGN which seems to be the deathknell for many routes!
Would you confidentally say CWL will still exist next May? It's just that if i'm less than 80% certain, i'd tell him to simply use TG from LHR as i've vast experience of QR's shoddy cancellations and rebookings (from KBV actually) which almost put me off them for life...
So, what's the general feel of the CWL route? Is it likely to stick? It seems to have been 'moderately succesful' and at least we know that QR aren't going to swap it out for a A319 via RGN which seems to be the deathknell for many routes!
Would you confidentally say CWL will still exist next May? It's just that if i'm less than 80% certain, i'd tell him to simply use TG from LHR as i've vast experience of QR's shoddy cancellations and rebookings (from KBV actually) which almost put me off them for life...
Oct 8, 2018, 3:54 am
#198
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Thailand
Programs: QRPC-Silver & Star-Alliance
Posts: 212
I think it was good to see our new DOH-CNX route kept going through the summer, albeit four-times-weekly, however the winter-season is now scheduled daily on a B788 so they must feel it has a lot of growth-potential !
Personally I'd be happier to see a slight-upsize, to an A320 with seat-back AVOD, and can live with four-weekly in the quieter summer. I feel the solitary 110-seat A319 can be a useful tool for maintaining new routes off-season, where the initial loads are still building-up, but I've no idea if that's how QR's management view it ?
I do wonder where it will be deployed next ?
Oct 8, 2018, 4:09 am
#199
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Cardiff
Programs: qatar airways platinum
Posts: 733
Howdy all you vastly more experienced CWL travellers! A friend is looking to book CWL-KBV (may route through HKT if connections are poor) next May. I mentioned that QR has habits of picking up and dropping new destinations, and being the beginning of low season, next May may see some trimming of schedules for both these routes, especially CWL.
So, what's the general feel of the CWL route? Is it likely to stick? It seems to have been 'moderately succesful' and at least we know that QR aren't going to swap it out for a A319 via RGN which seems to be the deathknell for many routes!
Would you confidentally say CWL will still exist next May? It's just that if i'm less than 80% certain, i'd tell him to simply use TG from LHR as i've vast experience of QR's shoddy cancellations and rebookings (from KBV actually) which almost put me off them for life...
So, what's the general feel of the CWL route? Is it likely to stick? It seems to have been 'moderately succesful' and at least we know that QR aren't going to swap it out for a A319 via RGN which seems to be the deathknell for many routes!
Would you confidentally say CWL will still exist next May? It's just that if i'm less than 80% certain, i'd tell him to simply use TG from LHR as i've vast experience of QR's shoddy cancellations and rebookings (from KBV actually) which almost put me off them for life...
Also remember, if they were to pull the route, your friend could reroute to LHR ( or any airport within 500 miles) for free.
Oct 31, 2018, 10:29 am
#202
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 380
According to a poster on another forum, 8,897 passengers used the route in Sept 2018.
That averages at 148.2 passengers per flight and a load factor of 58%. To be honest, that is worse than I expected. Whilst I did expect low figures in the winter, I didn't expect it to go this low this quickly. I dread to think what figures we'll see in November and February.
Hopefully Qatar will be happy. I imagine they'll be quite happy with the summer figures - though perhaps less so with the winter. Of course, this tells us nothing about yield. However, it does paint a picture.
That averages at 148.2 passengers per flight and a load factor of 58%. To be honest, that is worse than I expected. Whilst I did expect low figures in the winter, I didn't expect it to go this low this quickly. I dread to think what figures we'll see in November and February.
Hopefully Qatar will be happy. I imagine they'll be quite happy with the summer figures - though perhaps less so with the winter. Of course, this tells us nothing about yield. However, it does paint a picture.
Oct 31, 2018, 11:59 am
#203
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 842
QR will deploy the A321neo to routes such as CWL. In the summer it go to some Asian routes that have lower traffic in the summer with the widebodies in routes like NCE that see much higher seasonal demand in that season. In the winter the 787s and A321s will swap around, with the 321s going into the lower traffic European routes. They should have about 170 seats and flat beds improved over the current A320 flat bed.
Nov 1, 2018, 2:54 am
#204
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Cardiff
Programs: qatar airways platinum
Posts: 733
According to a poster on another forum, 8,897 passengers used the route in Sept 2018.
That averages at 148.2 passengers per flight and a load factor of 58%. To be honest, that is worse than I expected. Whilst I did expect low figures in the winter, I didn't expect it to go this low this quickly. I dread to think what figures we'll see in November and February.
Hopefully Qatar will be happy. I imagine they'll be quite happy with the summer figures - though perhaps less so with the winter. Of course, this tells us nothing about yield. However, it does paint a picture.
That averages at 148.2 passengers per flight and a load factor of 58%. To be honest, that is worse than I expected. Whilst I did expect low figures in the winter, I didn't expect it to go this low this quickly. I dread to think what figures we'll see in November and February.
Hopefully Qatar will be happy. I imagine they'll be quite happy with the summer figures - though perhaps less so with the winter. Of course, this tells us nothing about yield. However, it does paint a picture.
Nov 15, 2018, 8:38 am
#205
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 380
As nobody posted a comparison, I thought I would.
So, as stated above, CWL-DOH saw 8,897 passengers in September which is an average of 148.2 or a 58% load factor.
Birmingham to Doha (and established route) saw 10,683 passengers. That's an average of 178.0 per flight or a 70% load factor.
Manchester had 27,356 passengers shared between 60 A350 flights and 17 787-8 flights. I make that out as a load factor of 64%.
Better than Cardiff, but not by a great deal. Let's see how the winter goes.
So, as stated above, CWL-DOH saw 8,897 passengers in September which is an average of 148.2 or a 58% load factor.
Birmingham to Doha (and established route) saw 10,683 passengers. That's an average of 178.0 per flight or a 70% load factor.
Manchester had 27,356 passengers shared between 60 A350 flights and 17 787-8 flights. I make that out as a load factor of 64%.
Better than Cardiff, but not by a great deal. Let's see how the winter goes.
Dec 29, 2018, 3:39 am
#207
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CWL
Programs: BA Blue, Hilton Gold
Posts: 300
Update on passenger numbers on the route:
October 2018 5,817
November 2018 5,221
I’m not sure if it is still a daily service in the winter months, so haven’t done a rough load factor calculation.
October 2018 5,817
November 2018 5,221
I’m not sure if it is still a daily service in the winter months, so haven’t done a rough load factor calculation.
Dec 29, 2018, 11:07 pm
#208
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Doha, Qatar
Posts: 374
Just to add, I had family fly round trip recently CWL-DOH on 15th and 21st December and both flights were full.
I flew CWL-DOH on 18th and again was pretty much full. J was full expect for the 4 seats in row 1 which were empty. I would say Economy was at least 95% full.
I have more family taking this route in mid January to visit us so will be interesting to see how it looks after the holidays.
Looks to be doing well though.
I flew CWL-DOH on 18th and again was pretty much full. J was full expect for the 4 seats in row 1 which were empty. I would say Economy was at least 95% full.
I have more family taking this route in mid January to visit us so will be interesting to see how it looks after the holidays.
Looks to be doing well though.
Jan 23, 2019, 8:18 pm
#209
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 380
There were 6449 Passengers in December. A nice jump from November.
Stolen from another forum, so I'm not sure of the veracity.
In 2018, 55,568 passengers used the Cardiff-Doha service making an average load factor of 52.3%.
There were some very empty flights when the route first started and the winter isn't looking too good. That said, the summer was quite good with good load factors.
I have a feeling the flight is here to stay. There has been no real price dumping on the route and that LF would make it an ideal candidate for the A321NEO when it arrives.
Stolen from another forum, so I'm not sure of the veracity.
In 2018, 55,568 passengers used the Cardiff-Doha service making an average load factor of 52.3%.
There were some very empty flights when the route first started and the winter isn't looking too good. That said, the summer was quite good with good load factors.
I have a feeling the flight is here to stay. There has been no real price dumping on the route and that LF would make it an ideal candidate for the A321NEO when it arrives.