I get very annoyed at Y passengers using Business class toilets and overhead bins
Jun 7, 2007, 8:23 pm
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Bad enough when overhead bins are used; what about underseat? I was flying on a 737 a couple of months ago, and had boarded early with the rest of FC. At the same time, a Y passenger boarded, and proceeded to stuff her rollerboard in the space in front of 3B. Stuck out halfway, but didn't matter to her... she just shoved it in there and went to her seat in the back. I couldn't believe it!
Jun 7, 2007, 9:12 pm
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I wonder what would happen if the only business class toilet sprung a leek or something and was put out of order.
Would any business class passengers needing to use the toilet embarass themselves and walk down the back to use the WHY toilet?
Would any business class passengers needing to use the toilet embarass themselves and walk down the back to use the WHY toilet?
Jun 7, 2007, 9:28 pm
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Jun 7, 2007, 10:35 pm
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The toilet thing never worries me on a 737. I don't think you can honestly expect only J class to use the front toilet.. International is a bit different, especially if the curtain is closed. But even then, as long as there isn't a queue of Y in front of the J toilet, I don't really care either. I don't mind a bit of sharing.. Occassionally I've seen the FA turn someone back into Y and ask them to use the toilets there.
The bag thing is entirely different. I consider storage above my seat to be included as my additional space. Not an extension of someone in Y. There is more then enough room in Y. One bag overhead and if it doesn't fit, it's under the seat in front of you. If you have 2 bags, one goes overhead and vcccsecond under the seat in front. This is exactly what I do when I travel Y. I have 2 bags, so I lose the space under my seat. There is certainly enough room for each person to have one bag in the overhead (unless you all have huge roll-ons).
If you pay for Y, that's your space and it's more limited than J. Live with it and be fair to your neighbours - if you've got 2 bags, one goes under your seat...
Last edited by VT01; Jun 7, 2007 at 11:50 pm
Jun 8, 2007, 2:10 am
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On the other hand,
On the other hand, and just an observation:
I have rarely seen a FA or flight crew use the rear Lav's on any flight. They always "pop up the front" thru the curtains. On domestic its usually when they "pop up the front" to pick up their meal "covered with the tea towel" for there walk back down again.
International it's usually always the loo's in first.
I will put myself out on a limb here and say one of the joy's and benefits of my flying in the pointy end is to have a clean, easily accessible and usually spacious
lav's .
It does not bother me for domestic travel except when the great unwashed
"that term always makes me laugh" whilst lining up for the front loo's
stand there staring at me eating my dinner or whatever. I can never understand what a real serviette and your own full tray service causes so much curiosity from those in cattle. The line always seems to appear at dinner service. Much to the annoyance of the J FA's. Sometimes l feel like i'm the fish in the fish bowl.
I have rarely seen a FA or flight crew use the rear Lav's on any flight. They always "pop up the front" thru the curtains. On domestic its usually when they "pop up the front" to pick up their meal "covered with the tea towel" for there walk back down again.
International it's usually always the loo's in first.
I will put myself out on a limb here and say one of the joy's and benefits of my flying in the pointy end is to have a clean, easily accessible and usually spacious
lav's
.It does not bother me for domestic travel except when the great unwashed
"that term always makes me laugh" whilst lining up for the front loo's stand there staring at me eating my dinner or whatever. I can never understand what a real serviette and your own full tray service causes so much curiosity from those in cattle. The line always seems to appear at dinner service. Much to the annoyance of the J FA's. Sometimes l feel like i'm the fish in the fish bowl.
Jun 8, 2007, 2:18 am
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just to add
Just to add in case anyone miss-reads my reply,
I have no prob's with the FA's using the j or f lav's at all. my point is just that they obviously prefer the front loo's and there has to be a reason for that l recon!
I have no prob's with the FA's using the j or f lav's at all. my point is just that they obviously prefer the front loo's and there has to be a reason for that l recon!
Jun 8, 2007, 4:25 am
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Or if they were on an Award flight and paid nought but taxes.....What has that got to do with the issue?
What I was refering to was the cabin, not the fare, and it was a supposition, why should J short haul, be any different from long haul ?
If you were in J on a longhaul, and had a number of whY pax walking around the cabin, you would be somewhat miffed, especially if you had chosen that cabin specifically to try and get some sleep.
I care not who the pax next to me is.. what I do care about is that if i PAY for a J or F seat, I can reasonably expect J or F service, seating, attention from cabin crew, and probably most importantly, an opportunity to sleep, without interuption from PAX, who are from Y cabin, who have toilets in their cabin... and no real need to use J toilet.
If you are on a flight and had paid for a standard of service, would you not expect that service to be given to you, and not the pax who had paid 80% less ?
Are you willing to share your meal with the Y pax ? maybe send some booze down the back ?
I would suggest not.
As I stated earlier, I don't have any problem with short haul Y to J toilet usage.
What I want you to consider is that not all pax are equal - some have paid more for a better experience.
And that is entirely fair.
What I was refering to was the cabin, not the fare, and it was a supposition, why should J short haul, be any different from long haul ?
If you were in J on a longhaul, and had a number of whY pax walking around the cabin, you would be somewhat miffed, especially if you had chosen that cabin specifically to try and get some sleep.
I care not who the pax next to me is.. what I do care about is that if i PAY for a J or F seat, I can reasonably expect J or F service, seating, attention from cabin crew, and probably most importantly, an opportunity to sleep, without interuption from PAX, who are from Y cabin, who have toilets in their cabin... and no real need to use J toilet.
If you are on a flight and had paid for a standard of service, would you not expect that service to be given to you, and not the pax who had paid 80% less ?
Are you willing to share your meal with the Y pax ? maybe send some booze down the back ?
I would suggest not.
As I stated earlier, I don't have any problem with short haul Y to J toilet usage.
What I want you to consider is that not all pax are equal - some have paid more for a better experience.
And that is entirely fair.
Jun 8, 2007, 5:14 am
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Jun 8, 2007, 4:27 pm
#43
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This buffoon is happy to be treated differently from the mass in whY if I have paid for J/F...
Now... where did I put my troll doll ?
Jun 11, 2007, 12:46 am
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Now lets not get bogged down with semantics here. I can't believe someone hasn't said that yet.
I always use the loo to which class my ticket is assigned - except once, and I think it must have been the curry from the night before or the yeeros I ate for breakfast on the way to the airport (those vodkadoms give you a weird appetite - I might try Krug as a new mixer - suggestions Tinkybell?).
Anyway, I digress and as Mother said "when you gotta go, you gotta go" (and she eventually did in a big way as some of you might recall) so I did, and as I rushed from my usual seat 2A both loos were engaged. So I had no option other than to use the business class toilets, which was fine because they were all in the middle of study. Does school of the air work in the same way as altitude training does for athletes?
Now I think it is so quaint that toilets are either engaged or vacant. Where did the powers that be come up with those descriptions? I know we all get pretty personal with toilets, and I've certainly hugged a few in my life. They see us for what we are and what we ate so there's no hiding the fact that you didn't eat your vegetables or drank too many vodka cranberries the day before. Does that mean we "engage" the toilet?
As for vacant, well I've gone to some toilets and they are far from vacant - some people just don't know where the flush button is.
Now, the overheard bin thing, I've never overheard anything from them and thought they were just empty places that the waiters placed your belongings; I never knew they actually talked.. What's up there, little people rummaging through your stuff smelling your dirty knickers and reading your porn. I need to pay more attention to these things I suppose or stop drinking... nah!
So, to surmise - no sorry need to go - damn curry shop!
I always use the loo to which class my ticket is assigned - except once, and I think it must have been the curry from the night before or the yeeros I ate for breakfast on the way to the airport (those vodkadoms give you a weird appetite - I might try Krug as a new mixer - suggestions Tinkybell?).
Anyway, I digress and as Mother said "when you gotta go, you gotta go" (and she eventually did in a big way as some of you might recall) so I did, and as I rushed from my usual seat 2A both loos were engaged. So I had no option other than to use the business class toilets, which was fine because they were all in the middle of study. Does school of the air work in the same way as altitude training does for athletes?
Now I think it is so quaint that toilets are either engaged or vacant. Where did the powers that be come up with those descriptions? I know we all get pretty personal with toilets, and I've certainly hugged a few in my life. They see us for what we are and what we ate so there's no hiding the fact that you didn't eat your vegetables or drank too many vodka cranberries the day before. Does that mean we "engage" the toilet?
As for vacant, well I've gone to some toilets and they are far from vacant - some people just don't know where the flush button is.
Now, the overheard bin thing, I've never overheard anything from them and thought they were just empty places that the waiters placed your belongings; I never knew they actually talked.. What's up there, little people rummaging through your stuff smelling your dirty knickers and reading your porn. I need to pay more attention to these things I suppose or stop drinking... nah!
So, to surmise - no sorry need to go - damn curry shop!
Jun 11, 2007, 9:53 pm
#45
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Bad enough when overhead bins are used; what about underseat? I was flying on a 737 a couple of months ago, and had boarded early with the rest of FC. At the same time, a Y passenger boarded, and proceeded to stuff her rollerboard in the space in front of 3B. Stuck out halfway, but didn't matter to her... she just shoved it in there and went to her seat in the back. I couldn't believe it!
p.s. Hi to JohnK! Good to see you.
