Weighing all wheelie cases
Jan 6, 2019, 4:52 am
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I’d speculate that there will be no bag sizing & weighing on late flights (delayed) or those with tight turn arounds. Proving a point on a contentious matter when everyone is “over it” doesn’t help anyone.
Jan 6, 2019, 12:56 pm
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Not being silly but Qantas is generally an expert in inconsistency and this illustrates it perfectly.
Also weighing the wheelies only is another flaw - the over the shoulder bag my travelling partner carried yesterday was 15kg and they just strolled through the boarding pass check.
Also weighing the wheelies only is another flaw - the over the shoulder bag my travelling partner carried yesterday was 15kg and they just strolled through the boarding pass check.
Jan 7, 2019, 8:16 pm
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For what it is worth I was not weighed yesterday morning at SYD. Wheelie was within limit but had a laptop case on top of it as well.
When I got onboard the customer service manager did ask if I cam of and international (which I did) but not sure why the question !
When I got onboard the customer service manager did ask if I cam of and international (which I did) but not sure why the question !
Jan 7, 2019, 8:37 pm
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Jan 8, 2019, 12:22 am
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Today , when I was at Sydney Airport, there were members of staff checking size and weight of bags at the entry to the queue for security - people with non-compliant bags were being informed to check them in
Doing it at security checkpoints seems a great way to handle the issue
Jan 8, 2019, 12:46 am
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But to be realistic, the rule SHOULD be that if it fits in the x ray scanner then its OK for carry on. And if the bag can be lifted on and off the conveyor with one hand, then its OK. But that is clearly a debatable sensibility.
Jan 8, 2019, 4:00 am
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the x ray scanner does not measure the dimensions of objects going through - the opening size of the scanner is not, to best of my knowledge, set based on the baggage sizer. Even if the conveyor size was reduced such that 2 dimentions were soit on the limit, I think that there would be issues with rate of bag processing at the scanner
If the bag fits in the airline sizer and does not exceed the max weight permitted, then it should be allowed on
If the bag fits in the airline sizer and does not exceed the max weight permitted, then it should be allowed on
Jan 8, 2019, 6:49 am
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We have already established that the Qantas approved cabin baggage sold on the Qantas website might possibly exceed the dimensions of the sizer, but remain within the total maximum dimensions of 115/105.
As such sizer does not form part of the contract and cannot be unilaterally imposed by the airline after the contract has been formed.
Jan 8, 2019, 2:15 pm
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Can you supply details of a court ruling that supports the assertion that the size as imposed by Qantas is not permitted by contract ?
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
Would someone really want to try arguing that it is only the total that matters whilst trying to bring on something that is 115 x 1 x 1 ?
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
Would someone really want to try arguing that it is only the total that matters whilst trying to bring on something that is 115 x 1 x 1 ?
Jan 8, 2019, 2:35 pm
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Can you supply details of a court ruling that supports the assertion that the size as imposed by Qantas is not permitted by contract ?
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
The individual dimensions are a guide only. We know this because the Qantas endorsed cabin bags sold on their site as a permitted cabin baggage exceed one of the indivudal maximums.
Examples were provided above and here is another: https://www.qantasstore.com.au/p/qan...aboard/1001037
Jan 8, 2019, 2:36 pm
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Can you supply details of a court ruling that supports the assertion that the size as imposed by Qantas is not permitted by contract ?
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
Since the eticket shows a picture of a cabin bag indicating the L , D and H dimentions and states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
or
1 x 7kg 115cm
115cm = 56cm L + 36cm H plus 23cm D
I have trouble seeing that there is much to suggest that the limits are not based on those
Where is Qantas selling something that is non compliant. The website link indicated
External Size: 55cm x 35cm x 24/26cm (expanded) (includes wheels and handles)
This is compliant where someone is travelling on a QF Jet service and takes only a single item of hand luggage - the limits where someone takes a single item are 56 x 36 x 23 - 55 < 56 and 35 < 36 and 23=23
The individual dimensions are a guide only. We know this because the Qantas endorsed cabin bags sold on their site as a permitted cabin baggage exceed one of the indivudal maximums.
Examples were provided above and here is another: https://www.qantasstore.com.au/p/qan...aboard/1001037
Jan 8, 2019, 2:43 pm
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Unlike the one referenced in post 173, there is nothing that indicates that it is allowed by Qantas
The one that was within limits stated
In Australia all our airlines adhere to either a 105cm or 115cm (total size) domestic carry-on bag size limit.
Regard;less , this is simply a shop
The one that was within limits stated
In Australia all our airlines adhere to either a 105cm or 115cm (total size) domestic carry-on bag size limit.
Regard;less , this is simply a shop
Jan 8, 2019, 2:59 pm
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Unlike the one referenced in post 173, there is nothing that indicates that it is allowed by Qantas
The one that was within limits stated
In Australia all our airlines adhere to either a 105cm or 115cm (total size) domestic carry-on bag size limit.
Regard;less , this is simply a shop
The one that was within limits stated
In Australia all our airlines adhere to either a 105cm or 115cm (total size) domestic carry-on bag size limit.
Regard;less , this is simply a shop
We we do not agree that the individual dimensions stated on the website are in fact maximums, but are instead suggestions as to how the total 105/115 can be reached.
The important ant difference is that if the sizer is based on the maximums stated on the website, then Qantas would incorrectly be requiring bags to be checked in that the passenger may not wish to.
As the baggage information is onnthe website before ticket purchase. And the passenger can buy the qantas approved cabin bag before ticket purchase, the sizer at the airport is irrelevant.
You say say there is ‘no indication’ that the bags sold on the website are allowed by Qantas? This is an impossible conclusion to draw. The bag is sold by Qantas, to its own passengers, with a qantas name and branding, and listed as a ‘wheelaboard’.
Any person coming across all that information would reasonably assume (and ‘reasonably is the giveaway here) that the bag is permitted in the cabin. Otherwise why would they sell them?
Jan 8, 2019, 3:28 pm
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Some bags sold on site indicate that they are compliant with Qantas regulations - others have no such statement
a retail store does not create any requirement by any airline to accept the bag
The site states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
it doesnt say e.g. 48 x 34 x 23
it states 105cm and then states
105cm equals 48 x 34 x 23
not sure how much more explicit it needs to be
a retail store does not create any requirement by any airline to accept the bag
The site states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
it doesnt say e.g. 48 x 34 x 23
it states 105cm and then states
105cm equals 48 x 34 x 23
not sure how much more explicit it needs to be
Jan 8, 2019, 4:00 pm
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Some bags sold on site indicate that they are compliant with Qantas regulations - others have no such statement
a retail store does not create any requirement by any airline to accept the bag
The site states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
it doesnt say e.g. 48 x 34 x 23
it states 105cm and then states
105cm equals 48 x 34 x 23
not sure how much more explicit it needs to be
a retail store does not create any requirement by any airline to accept the bag
The site states
2 x 7kg 105cm
105cm = 48cm L + 34cm H plus 23cm D
it doesnt say e.g. 48 x 34 x 23
it states 105cm and then states
105cm equals 48 x 34 x 23
not sure how much more explicit it needs to be
And they know that because they sell bags which play around with those various dimensions.
It’s not just a retail store though is it? It’s a qantas store, selling a qantas item, with a qantas brand. For all intents and purposes it ‘is’ qantas.