perthite

I don't think EBV has been delivered yet. It was due this coming weekend.

The seating is identical as Jetstar originally were given QF domestic A330s. It has been thay way from the start.

nonce

It sure has the first delivered 332 and 333 aircraft were 2x3x2 in J using the same domestic J seat found on the 73H and Dom 767. These aircraft were transferred to JQ and the seats recovered in leather.

Once again if we are going to use this logic then Virgin Australia don't have business class domestically it is actually First as they have the same seat as what United uses for First in the US.

harryhv

If QF proposes to continue with this seating, it is a major change and a significant incentive to move to DJ for domestic flights.

Agreed, the actual seats aren't new and have been around for years... in the premium-economy section of the QF international fleet. And of course in the JQ "Star Class" cabin.

What is new is the attempt by QF to pass off these seats as Qantas business class.

moa999

Tweet from AusBT - www.ausbt.com.au

So I guess we will find out on Sunday.
Don't believe most aircraft deliveries have a press conference.

nonce

Why? The original 333 and 332 aircraft were delivered with a domestic J config of 2x3x2 but using a different seat. The PAX feedback was that a middle seat in J was not appreciated. This was mostly from high value FF such as CL members who at the time got free unlimited lounge upgrades. They felt they should have to endure a middle seat.

Middle J seats exist on DJ as well, indeed their 332 and 777 aircraft are also in a 2x3x2 config.

The 2x3x2 332 have the same style of seat as what the new 73H aircraft have.

Compare that seat to DJ's 737 seat and there is a significant difference, the DJ seat being a lower spec seat.

So nothing has changed except the physical seat. It has the same pitch and width as the rest of the dom fleet. What it does have that the old 73H and 767 fleet doesn't have is AVOD.

I think you will find that the QF Y+ seat is actually a short haul J seat as defined by the manufacturer. :-)

harryhv

And the press conference has announced that this is indeed the plan, to downgrade the QF domestic 330's to match the JQ fleet.

According to the announcement, QF will operate only A330's between SYD/MEL and PER next year with no business cabin, just this lousy premium-economy seating up front masquerading as J class.

perthite

Once again, Jetstar business layout was modeled on Qantas domestic layout. It has been this way all along.

Platinum A332

How funny that this time next year, airlines such as AA will have a superior Transcontinental Hard Product (LAX/SFO-JFK) than QF.

serfty

.. or that the Virgin Australia 332 services (even the ex EK craft) are well ahead in soft (and generally hard) product.

LHR/MEL/Europe FF

seems to be an easy choice... fly virgin rather than qf!

nonce

So it is established as fact then. According to Harryhv Qantas has never had a domestic J product, not does Virgin on the 73H fleet. What they have had all these years was Y+ even before Y+ was first invented by BA.

I wonder what I have been flying all these years then, especially when the 742 flew SYD-PER or the 733 ADL-PER. What class was that?

What about the days when the 734 flew SYD-PER what class does that have up front?

serfty

Until the late 90's, the 734's (&733) had two rows of dedicated "First Class" and 5 rows of convertible seating for "Business Class".

This configuration remained with the abolishment of domestic "First" until one by one the aircraft were refurbished.

Now, as to wether that was PE or not is not relavent - last century that was First - A bigger seat.

og

There are three Required criteria to these bigger seats - name not being one of them:

A curtain behind them
A drink holder between them
No fold down meal tray infront of them

serfty

I think the "curtain" is missing/abbreviated, the other are there:

Old "first" 734

Looking to the "converta" seats

nonce

I think you will find that the 733 had those seats until mid to late 2000's. Especially for trans tasman flights. Shortly after the collapse of AN the 733 was meant to become a single class, along with all QF dom aircraft. The removal of J from the 733 took some period of time. However the seat pitch was similar to what we have today on the 332, although slightly wider. The 733 was replaced for trans tasman with the 734 using the millenium seat. The millenium seat being the stable QF domestic J seat for a number of years on the 73H fleet and 767 dom fleet. The millenium seat is what is also Jetstar business seat and the seat the original 332 and 333 aircraft were delivered in a 2x3x2 config. Once the latest 73H aircraft to replace the 734 aircraft used for trans tasman arrived we then saw the millenium seat replaced with the current dom J seat.

However over the years PER has been served using a mix of J product. Ranging from 742, 743, 744, international 767 (dreamtime), and international 330 aircraft. At the same time PER has also been served using 733, 734, 73H & dom 767 aircraft. In the same way Virgin uses the 73H (dom J) and 332 (dreamtime seat in 2x3x2 config).