[PREM FARE GONE] AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK £2550 business
Jul 20, 2022, 11:53 pm
#16
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Maybe it's because it's 1 am but when I try to force the transpacific leg into R fare class, and force the route through SYD it doesn't work. I feel like I am missing the trick. 
Any hint would be appreciated. (I'm not a matrix novice before anyone yells at me for asking for help.)
Any hint would be appreciated. (I'm not a matrix novice before anyone yells at me for asking for help.)
Jul 20, 2022, 11:57 pm
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Jul 21, 2022, 12:23 am
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Can someone bother to post a GF link with SYD that we can all use as starting point to play with, It is always way easier to come back to this thread and use it, and ITA matrix takes more time...
It is 2:23 am, and this is too much work...
It is 2:23 am, and this is too much work...
Jul 21, 2022, 12:24 am
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stopovers (>24h) are allowed at 100usd per stopover extra.
the 275usd extra is because the itinerary via SYD exceeds MPM (MAXIMUM PERMITTED MILEAGE) and thus attracts a surcharge - for every 5% of extra mileage flown you pay 5% extra base fare, with maximum at 25% extra mileage allowed.
Jul 21, 2022, 12:25 am
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Unfortunately neither GF nor airlines direct online will sell you this --> the only way is to play with ITA or use agent/call airline to book
Jul 21, 2022, 12:31 am
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Maybe it's because it's 1 am but when I try to force the transpacific leg into R fare class, and force the route through SYD it doesn't work. I feel like I am missing the trick. Any hint would be appreciated. (I'm not a matrix novice before anyone yells at me for asking for help.)
Any hint would be appreciated. (I'm not a matrix novice before anyone yells at me for asking for help.)
Jul 21, 2022, 12:33 am
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Minimum stay is 1 night and maximum 3 transfers --> so i think it's not possible to optimise this any further - but happy to be proven wrong 
Obviously pick JAL legs marketed by american for transpacific legs if like me you prefer JAL service
Obviously pick JAL legs marketed by american for transpacific legs if like me you prefer JAL service
Jul 21, 2022, 12:41 am
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Jul 21, 2022, 12:55 am
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I'm guessing that It's impossible to get the JFK-LAX-HND and v.v. on JL codes? AA codes are no good for AAdvantage members, drastically reduces earning, though those QF C sectors are sexy for AAdvantage earning.
In theory this should be bookable on JL7515-JL15 and back on JL16-JL7514, the JL fare is nearly identical to the AA fare, except the JL fare may actually be cheaper, I found this text in the AA routing rules:
But nothing I'm trying on Matrix will pull this up with the JL Codes, just to get AA codes I have to manually enter the flight numbers.
The JL fare also seems better for those wanting a stopover in Japan (yes it's still closed for non-residents)
The AA fare does not have that exception, so assume a Japan stopover will trigger a much higher fare.
In theory this should be bookable on JL7515-JL15 and back on JL16-JL7514, the JL fare is nearly identical to the AA fare, except the JL fare may actually be cheaper, I found this text in the AA routing rules:
TICKETED POINT DEDUCTION OF 2000 MILES APPLIES WHEN TRAVEL IS VIA DFW OR LAX
The JL fare also seems better for those wanting a stopover in Japan (yes it's still closed for non-residents)
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS: JAPAN IS EXCLUDED FROM THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE FOR STOPOVERS.
Last edited by dvs7310; Jul 21, 2022 at 1:29 am
Jul 21, 2022, 1:12 am
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it's possible to do JFK LAX TYO CGK on JAL codes and jal ticket for roughly 2500usd --> if that is of interest. but on the SYD variation only AA codes work. that is why i mentioned this is v appealing to BA which attracts high avios and qualifying tier points earning
Jul 21, 2022, 2:00 am
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Since you're an actual travel agent, do you know what it is that's allowing the AA codes but not JL? The JL fare seems to be more permissive just from myself reading on Expertflyer. I tried it with JL 5 and JL 6 as well (JFK non-stops) to no avail.
Jul 21, 2022, 2:04 am
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the routing on direct JL omits LAX - however Lax allows 2000additional mileage bonus (part of routing rules) this routing JFK TYO SYD CGK is just too long! The only way to do it with Syd is via lax, and that’s only doable on AA fare which doesn’t allow JL prime numbers from my reading of rules