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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 7:08 am
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I'm currently sat in 5F on aa1021… If any MR'ers want to ping me.

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Old Jun 18, 2016, 9:46 am
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In Miami now on the return leg of this MR. Got to PTY last night and started back this am. My first MR. Not bad! Panama is a place I'd like to spend some time at in the future, seems interesting. Stayed at the Waldorf Astoria last night for $150 and had a very nice full suite upgrade with full kitchen, etc. Not that I really had time to enjoy it.

The other nice part was when sitting in the airport at XNA waiting to go to LAX to start the MR, AA called and asked if I'd be willing to take a 45 minute later flight for the MIA-JFK portion that I'm waiting on now. I lost flying a 773 in F to now on a 757 in domestic F, but they gave me a $300 travel voucher for 45 minute flight difference. I'm not complaining!

*edit* Aaaannddd it's an international config 757, so very decent F seats for a 2 1/2 hour flight.

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Old Jun 18, 2016, 2:11 pm
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Congratulations!!!

Originally Posted by thom1033
In Miami now on the return leg of this MR. Got to PTY last night and started back this am. My first MR. Not bad! Panama is a place I'd like to spend some time at in the future, seems interesting. Stayed at the Waldorf Astoria last night for $150 and had a very nice full suite upgrade with full kitchen, etc. Not that I really had time to enjoy it.

The other nice part was when sitting in the airport at XNA waiting to go to LAX to start the MR, AA called and asked if I'd be willing to take a 45 minute later flight for the MIA-JFK portion that I'm waiting on now. I lost flying a 773 in F to now on a 757 in domestic F, but they gave me a $300 travel voucher for 45 minute flight difference. I'm not complaining!

*edit* Aaaannddd it's an international config 757, so very decent F seats for a 2 1/2 hour flight.
I'd take that also. Congrats
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 2:14 pm
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I'm D-30 club

I'm in the D30 admiral club. Waiting for my flight to Quito at 6:14. I'm traveling with a jack Russell. I have drink coupons for JFK IF anyone is headed up there. Good for today only
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 4:40 pm
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Lounge access @ LAX

I was hoping to check out the Oneworld lounge at LAX, but they wouldn't let me in since my international leg isn't 'til tomorrow. The Qantas first lounge did let me in today, oddly enough. Any suggestions or help out there, please?

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Old Jun 18, 2016, 5:03 pm
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I will be on this mileage run, late, on June 23 arriving in Panama City midday on the 24th, I'll be spending the night at the Intercontinental in Panama City. I arrive early enough to hopefully see at least one tourist site and get a good meal or two :-) at a decent restaurant. I fly out the following morning.
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 5:03 pm
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I want to do this run soon, preferably over a weekend/long weekend. I can get to LAX or SFO from YVR pretty easily.

I don't want to clog up the thread with noob questions, but to me setting this up seems like a herculean feat. Is there a generous soul here willing to send me a PM and walk me through how I would go about getting all of this done? I've read the stickies but even then it's still very difficult to understand for a noob like me.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by grbauctions
I'd take that also. Congrats
Apparent I need to be more humble when bragging on my good fortune, lol. My iPad slid down between the seat and divider console when reclining the seat. Despite my and the FAs' best efforts maintenance had to retrieve it after we landed. Unfortunately it got destroyed by the seat mechanicals.

Oh well. It was pretty old and starting to struggle a bit anyway. Typing this from my brand new iPad purchased at JFK. Still a great trip.
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by RichVan
I want to do this run soon, preferably over a weekend/long weekend. I can get to LAX or SFO from YVR pretty easily.

I don't want to clog up the thread with noob questions, but to me setting this up seems like a herculean feat. Is there a generous soul here willing to send me a PM and walk me through how I would go about getting all of this done? I've read the stickies but even then it's still very difficult to understand for a noob like me.

Any help would be appreciated.
the deal is valid from YVR so you don't need to reposition at all. just google flights the legs together and go, it's really quite straightforward.
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
the deal is valid from YVR so you don't need to reposition at all. just google flights the legs together and go, it's really quite straightforward.
Alright, I'll see how it goes. I've got a couple longer trips coming up in July, so a run like this might just be enough to push me over to EXP. Exciting!

Edit: this comes up at just over $1000 CDN, which I think is amazing:
https://www.google.ca/flights/#searc...sc=b;a=AA;eo=e

I'd book it right now except I must be home on the Monday and can't swing it.

Am I doing something wrong using Google Flights? No matter how many weeks I push the itinerary back to the following Sat,Sun & Mon, I get "no results".

I hate being a noob at things. I'm sure you guys are pros - what's the secret... just keep playing with dates?

Edit again: I figured it out. This is amazing.

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Old Jun 18, 2016, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by RichVan
Alright, I'll see how it goes. I've got a couple longer trips coming up in July, so a run like this might just be enough to push me over to EXP. Exciting!

Edit: this comes up at just over $1000 CDN, which I think is amazing:
https://www.google.ca/flights/#searc...sc=b;a=AA;eo=e

I'd book it right now except I must be home on the Monday and can't swing it.

Am I doing something wrong using Google Flights? No matter how many weeks I push the itinerary back to the following Sat,Sun & Mon, I get "no results".

I hate being a noob at things. I'm sure you guys are pros - what's the secret... just keep playing with dates?

Edit again: I figured it out. This is amazing.
That's the link I posted a few posts above, right? :lol
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Old Jun 18, 2016, 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
That's the link I posted a few posts above, right? :lol
Yeah, sorry - I should have been more specific, I used that as a starting point, so THANK YOU! ^

I have a MR on hold, leaving Thursday Aug 11 and returning that Sunday night:

YVR-PHX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-BOS-PHL-PHX-YVR

$878 CDN all in ($680 USD). All business or first.

My girlfriend thinks I'm *insane*, but she forgets how useful it was when she was AC Super Elite a few years ago and we took advantage of it to go to Europe in pods. This trip, after 2 transcons and a trip to Singapore in July, will likely push me over into EXP.
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Old Jun 19, 2016, 7:11 am
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Well done, RichVan!
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Old Jun 19, 2016, 11:51 am
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😄

Originally Posted by RichVan
Yeah, sorry - I should have been more specific, I used that as a starting point, so THANK YOU! ^

I have a MR on hold, leaving Thursday Aug 11 and returning that Sunday night:

YVR-PHX-JFK-MIA-PTY-MIA-BOS-PHL-PHX-YVR

$878 CDN all in ($680 USD). All business or first.

My girlfriend thinks I'm *insane*, but she forgets how useful it was when she was AC Super Elite a few years ago and we took advantage of it to go to Europe in pods. This trip, after 2 transcons and a trip to Singapore in July, will likely push me over into EXP.
Nice job enjoy your run.
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Old Jun 19, 2016, 12:12 pm
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I'm doing a similar one just before the 8/1 apocalypse.
YVR-PHX-DEN-MIA-PTY-MIA-DCA-DFW-YVR - $630 USD.

Positioning to YVR is a ..... from DFW, though.
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