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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Really? Care to provide some examples, other than those working for TSA/DHS?

Doctors? Lawyers? Engineers? Scientists? Fast Food Employees? Retail? Sanitation? Journalists?

Which professions have 'sold out the principles of this nation for a paycheck'?
Most of those above have a sizable contingent that have indeed sold out IMO.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
I have to question the wisdom behind raising a ruckus at an airport security checkpoint. Please explain it to me.
I said nothing about creating a ruckus, I just stated that you can not disturb the peace of a LEO or TSO.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
Most of those above have a sizable contingent that have indeed sold out IMO.
Examples appreciated.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Top Tier
Just curious, where is the written TSA policy that required you to call this man's employer?
Dude... just... Y'know what? Nevermind. I get enough of that from Phil, I don't need any more, thank you very much.

And what exactly constitutes a "hard time" that falls short of interfering with the screening process, but is severe enough to warrant your meting out punishment outside the legal system?

I'm surprised this guy didn't sue for slander.
You assume that the guy wasn't interfering with the screening process. We were trying to keep homeslice from getting arrested.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Sorry, Spiff, but you're just getting silly.

TSOs have no law enforcement authority. LEOs do. The majority of the situations at the checkpoint are nothing more than security incidents. However, a number of them do turn into law enforcement incidents. At one point, the approach was to not have LEOs at the checkpoint, but operational experience showed that it was more effective and efficient to have an LEO assigned to the checkpoint.

On a final note, as a former snake-eater, your "man up" comments make me giggle like a school girl.
I laugh daily around here.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:45 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
Hypocrisy, IMO. Dish it out but can't take it and hiding behind nonsense (he's not petitioning for anything, he's acting out of either arrogance or frustration or some other emotion. He's not Rosa Parks, let's get real). So the passenger can act out of emotion but the TSO can't.

Again, dish it out but can't take it. I don't think TSOs should be able to abuse pax and I don't feel pax should abuse TSOs. I've been called all kinds of names in my decades on the job. It's BS. I've also called people names before, both in response to them calling me first and me starting it. When I started it, it was crap. I was wrong to do so. I don't feel it was if they opened the door. Opinions may vary on that one, but I firmly believe that approach begets response.

If you want to man up, don't be surprised when someone picks up the gauntlet.
PAX should never abuse a TSO.

This has nothing to do with being able to take it. From just a standard customer service point of view, the TSO represents the company and should under no circumstance be allowed to engage a customer with venom.

On the broader note it is petitioning the Government, and TSOs and LEOs needs to understand that.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Run away. There's no shame here.
Not running. First you have to define "a ruckus". I bet my definition if a far from yours. What the OP said happened would not be anywhere near a ruckus in my book.
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
On a final note, as a former snake-eater, your "man up" comments make me giggle like a school girl.
Is that one of those "don't ask, don't tell" things?
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 9:20 pm
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It has been interesting reading everyone's comments and they are appreciated. The total number of agents involved were 2 so I don't think I even remotely impacted the rest of the screening let alone cause a "ruckus". When I started all of this, I was in the secondary screening area away from most of the other passengers. Also, at no time could other passengers hear my comment. As I stated in my posting, at no time did I raise my voice. Even when I was talking to the LEO I kept my tone even. I did get a bit pissed that he (the LEO) would even contemplate calling my employer but I figured it was just posturing since I knew that he really didn't have the authority. The worst thing he could have done (at least in my opinion) would be to cite me and give me a ticket. He did offer to give me back my key chain if I was willing to stop by and pick it up on my way back through. I declined. The most frustrating part of all this experience is the inconsistancy and the lack of common sense some TSA agents seem to possess. As I stated before, I have traveled extensively all over the world with the same key chain in my bag. Even worse, why was I allowed to go through the same check point twice before (once on 21 May and again on 4 Jun) with the exact same key chain in the same exact bag and never questioned or picked for secondary screening? I am sure there are admirable people that work for the TSA and some of them are on this board. I just don't seem to encounter them, especially at the A councourse at DEN. And for the record, if I had been called an idiot by the TSA screener, I wouldnt have called an LEO. I would have gotten the agent's name/info, submit a complaint through the TSA complaint system, and gone on my way. I am sure I have been called worse.
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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Is that one of those "don't ask, don't tell" things?
No, it's just Bart trying to impress everyone about how tough he allegedly is.
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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Examples appreciated.

oh my, would need a lot more time than I have to write this. I just spent 6 weeks watching one doctor after another cover their arses with my friend that was in ICU. They made so many blunders and thank God his wife is a smart cookie who said enough is enough and let him go. They kept him alive for one reason, to save their arses so they would not be sued. Ten doctors could not figure out what was wrong because they treated symtoms and not the cause. He could have been saved if they had only listened to his wife in the beginning.
Only one doctor found out the source and by that time it was over. But they are all getting their money. My niece is a lawyer and even she will tell you the greedy ways they go after people. My husband works for NASA...won't even go there, stupid, stupid people. Cancer is a business, did you know that the Vets at UF have a vaccine for melonoma but the scientist do not want it for humans. They make so much money off research. I am wasting my time spiff. There are idiots everywhere and maybe you should tell us how your profession is so perfect.

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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by flpab
oh my, would need a lot more time than I have to write this. I just spent 6 weeks watching one doctor after another cover their arses with my friend that was in ICU. They made so many blunders and thank God his wife is a smart cookie who said enough is enough and let him go. They kept him alive for one reason, to save their arses so they would not be sued. Ten doctors could not figure out what was wrong because they treated symtoms and not the cause. He could have been saved if they had only listened to his wife in the beginning.
Only one doctor found out the source and by that time it was over. But they are all getting their money. My niece is a lawyer and even she will tell you the greedy ways they go after people. My husband works for NASA...won't even go there, stupid, stupid people. Cancer is a business, did you know that the Vets at UF have a vaccine for melonoma but the scientist do not want it for humans. They make so much money off research. I am wasting my time spiff. There are idiots everywhere and maybe you should tell us how your profession is so perfect.
Idiots everywhere? Sure.

Now, how have any of these people sold out the principles of their country for a paycheck?
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Old Jun 19, 2009 | 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by Good Guy
I've been a cop for 20 + years. I've been called a helluva lot worse. Now if a TSO called me over to complain that someone had called them an idiot, I would probably try to calm both parties down and send them on their separate ways.
Personally, I'd like to see an LEO tell the TSO, "Well, you mean you're NOT an idiot?"


Originally Posted by HawaiiTrvlr
As for the LEO and his lecture, he did ask for my ID. He did not write anything down but did tell me that he could have called my employer and reported that I had an incident at the airport. "Just this once, I will cut you some slack and let you go."
I can tell you that I'd be speaking to a lawyer about that one. There is absolutely no justification for the cop making a threat like that, or even implying he has that ability, either. Calling your employer?

Looks like the TSO isn't the only person who was an idiot here; the LEO deserves that same label.


Originally Posted by jkhuggins
The same rules ought to apply to both parties. Either both incidents are cause for further "sanctions", or neither are. And I'm not sure I care which way it's resolved ... as long as both parties are treated equally.
I'd go so far as to say the same rules don't apply to both, and that the behavior of the TSO and LEO in such an encounter should be held to a higher standard. It is, after all, their job to handle situations like this at all times, and they're acting on behalf of the government. That carries much stricter rules of conduct than an average Joe undergoing screening.


Originally Posted by law dawg
Hypocrisy, IMO. Dish it out but can't take it and hiding behind nonsense (he's not petitioning for anything, he's acting out of either arrogance or frustration or some other emotion. He's not Rosa Parks, let's get real). So the passenger can act out of emotion but the TSO can't.
As with my comment above, responding in kind is childish, and the TSOs and LEOs have to deal with being held to a higher standard. And I don't just mean they shouldn't engage in name-calling or other expressions of sour attitude ("don't go away mad; just go away" for example), but that passive-aggressive, vindictive actions like retaliatory secondaries, NCIC checks and threats to call employers, etc., simply are not acceptable behavior, no matter what the provocation.
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