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Old May 15, 2009 | 5:05 pm
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Question What would it take for TSA acceptance?

What would it take for us to accept TSA doing screenings?

1) Secure luggage to lessen the ability of baggage thieves to operate.
2) Drop the ID checks as the airlines already do them.
3) Drop the war on liquids, pastes, and gels.
4) Drop the war on footwear.
5) Fire (encourage them to leave) rude TSOs.
6) Concentrate on core mission requirements.

The above list is mine with no order as to priorities.


This isn't intended to be sarcastic.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by AngryMiller
What would it take for us to accept TSA doing screenings?

1) Secure luggage to lessen the ability of baggage thieves to operate.
2) Drop the ID checks as the airlines already do them.
3) Drop the war on liquids, pastes, and gels.
4) Drop the war on footwear.
5) Fire (encourage them to leave) rude TSOs.
6) Concentrate on core mission requirements.

The above list is mine with no order as to priorities.


This isn't intended to be sarcastic.
you forgot the war on shooze and i'll add....

treat as you want to be treated and if found not doing so, see #5

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i'm sorry but i have absolutely zero tolerance for rudeness in the workplace either towards co-workers or customers and just who do you think the customers of the tsa are?. he||, if a bank can can train their staff how to properly (n.b. properly) act with the public do it then sure as sh*t the tsa can do it.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 6:57 pm
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Everything goalie & AngryMiller said, along w/ensuring everyone entering the 'sterile' area is screened every time. No more 'But they're trusted; they had a background check' BS.

100% cargo screening.

Get rid of the tin badges.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 8:07 pm
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Of course, none of this is likely to happen without a complete dismantling and rebuild from the ground up.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 8:22 pm
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Old May 15, 2009 | 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
Of course, none of this is likely to happen without a complete dismantling and rebuild from the ground up.
Yes, that's what it might take for this to happen, but before it happens the proper foundations must be laid. We've witnessed what happens when an organization is slapped together without much forethought.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 9:16 pm
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Training and standardisation, would be a start.

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Old May 15, 2009 | 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by txrus
Everything goalie & AngryMiller said, along w/ensuring everyone entering the 'sterile' area is screened every time. No more 'But they're trusted; they had a background check' BS.

100% cargo screening.

Get rid of the tin badges.
You forgot "screen everyone that LEAVES the sterile areas, every time"
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Old May 15, 2009 | 10:24 pm
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Old May 15, 2009 | 10:33 pm
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Seppuku by former and present TSA "leaders" as a start.
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Old May 15, 2009 | 11:02 pm
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I just want to ask one question then go ahead & slam me:
How would you all like to be searched EVERYTIME you enter & leave your place of employment ?
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Old May 15, 2009 | 11:19 pm
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Originally Posted by coachrowsey
I just want to ask one question then go ahead & slam me:
How would you all like to be searched EVERYTIME you enter & leave your place of employment ?
I have been when I worked in a classified area, did not bother me as I had nothing to hide.

If TSOs and airport personnel are screened going into the sterile area they can not pass contraband to a passenger.

If TSOs and airport personnel are screened leaving the sterile area, thefts would virtually disappear.

Do you want real security or pretend security?

Hopefully that was slam free.
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Old May 16, 2009 | 2:13 am
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1. Mandatory passenger presence during physical baggage searches . . . just like every other airport in the world.
2. Ditch the uniforms and use something similar to USPS employees. Look at the screeners at courthouses and government buildings.
3. It's just a screening agency. Enough with the smoke and mirrors and propaganda. Just do your job: screen.

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Old May 16, 2009 | 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by coachrowsey
I just want to ask one question then go ahead & slam me:
How would you all like to be searched EVERYTIME you enter & leave your place of employment ?
I've been searched every time I entered my place of employment for over 8 years (when I worked at the nuclear power plant), and signs present at the entry and exit points warned that searches could happen at any point. Didn't especially annoy me there - but then, there was REAL security at the plant.

If I were in the position that TSA is currently in? I'd *WELCOME* it. They've been caught red-handed FAR too often, and they KNOW it (as an institution). Security screening of TSA personnel might, at this point, be the only thing which would ease the minds of the public about the trustworthiness of the screeners. With respect to security of the personal items the passengers are forced to check, at least.

Baggage handlers, too, of course - screen those two groups alone, and baggage theft would drop to essentially nothing, eliminating one of the major complaints against TSA. Or, to borrow a phrase from the apologists and aim it back at TSA - "If you're innocent, you've got nothing to worry about. What have you got to hide?"

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Old May 16, 2009 | 3:29 am
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