I don't know if I agree w/this, especially w/all the sheeple willing to bend over for the naked body peep show machines. I mean, don't you think as more and more people like my husband and myself who are unwilling to be stripped of our clothing and our Constitutional rights stop flying altogether, that the sheeple left on flights are the same folks who are going to sit there on their hands if another 9/11 takes place? I'm sorry, but I think the spineless, brainless idiots who say, "Oh Golly! If it makes me safer--by all means sexually harass and assault me," are not the kind of people who are going to fight for their lives (to speak nothing of those innocent folks on the ground whom the airliner may be used against).

Stacey--first time post, btw...I already like a vast majority of the folks here, it's nice to find so few sheeple for a change ^(been reading pages and pages here in preparation for a new post on the naked body peep show scanners).

Somebody higher up on the TSA scale had a sense of reality/humor.:p

Welcome aboard, staceyjda! As more and more folks Unsheeple and quit bleating (sounds like 'bleeding', doesn't it?) on command for the TSA, there may be a dim ray of hope.

At any rate, just to get back to the seemingly forgotten original OP question: what would it take for TSA acceptance? For Lumpy, it would take waterboarding of each and every agency employee at Lumpy's hands until Lumpy was satisfied that the Dignity and Respect pledge of the TSA toward paxs had at last been truthfully met.

Talk about getting your mouth washed out with SOAP (or something...)

Nancy P. is going to teach me the new refinements of the technique as soon as she can get the true goods from the CIA, and they will be used as secondary screening techniques along with a few other SSI 'additional' techniques I am not allowed to see, they being part of the Really TRULY BIG BIG Super Secret SOP.

Hope you can accept that...

WRONG, again.

The box cutter ban was put in place long before (Sometime around 9/14/2001) congress created this wasteful, workfare agency.

Care to try again?

Have you ever been in a corporate FBO, or aboard a GA aircraft with a MTOW greater than 12,500 lbs?

^^ & Welcome to FlyerTalk.

Agree completely with your post.

The propaganda machine continues to spin.

Toy Carnivals-R-Us
 

Here it happens again, another TSO misinforming the flying public. ;)

SSI research clearly shows the original* TSA Organization Manual was not made by Fisher-Price. It was from Playmobil. :p

*Which has Evolved into the "Mission Creep International Airport" version where 75% of the floor space is taken up by TSA, for proper indoctrination of next generation sheeple.

So, if we apply your standard to the general public, or even the police or the military, one mistake and your history. No possibility of retraining, no possibility of errors on the part of either the red team members or the passengers, just out the door! Real humane, to bad your solution here would violate several federal labor laws.

You really should attend the Engage training. You might actually then know what you are talking about. As for the uniforms, we know we are not LEO’s, but you seem to have issues in this area.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7536167.stm

The X-ray machines have never been able to detect anything, the operators can, and do.

http://www.skatingonstilts.com/skating-on-stilts/

So, we should allow known terrorists to fly on our nations commercial aircraft? Hmmm, well they can fly with you, but I would rather they not fly with me. Any of them.

There are many places and conditions on which you might be required to “present my papers”, and I don’t hear you complaining about them.

Better to say “Stop breaking the law and then trying to fly”. I’m fairly sure that many folks who have warrants out for them fly every day, it’s just the idiots who make a scene or who break the law ON the checkpoints that get caught.

Sure, there must be something on board all those private aircraft that make it impossible for them to be used as weapons. Some transponder, radar, terrain avoidance system, magic wand or force field…

I have worked some of the types of events that you complain about. The paychecks for those who work the events come directly from the event organizers. Its not mission creep to do some part time work. TSO’s have specialized skills that the event organizers wanted to use, why not allow them to use those skills?

You were not listening. That’s how. Just as you wont listen to what I have written, because it does not meet your political agenda, personal perception of your importance in the universe, or it contradicts your opinions. How sad for you.

Why go through the trouble of reviving a dead thread if all you are going to do is take offense and argue about statements from months ago?:rolleyes:

That is part of the "cut and paste" agenda. Posting vague tangential "arguments" with no facts for back up and presuming ones own non-factual post is fact by saying it over and over a few times; then refusing to answer direct questions about it. That is the standard M.O. here.

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Ron, with respect ... that's not what N965VJ said. "Up to and including termination" doesn't mean "one mistake and you're history". "A pattern of complaints" doesn't mean "one mistake and you're history".

Look, I have a job with substantial job security protections, and I'm happy for them. But those protections aren't absolute. There are certain things at my job that if I did them, I'd be escorted to the door instantly. There are other things at my job that if I made a regular habit of doing them, I'd be warned, disciplined, and eventually escorted to the door. And I know this is true because I've seen people disappear from the office for precisely those reasons.

Does this happen with TSA? I don't know ... because even though TSA is a taxpayer-funded agency, TSA doesn't reveal personnel actions to the public. (And, yes, I understand that TSA contends that federal law forbids them from disclosing such actions.)

Is TSA held accountable for its performance? I honestly don't know. If it is held accountable, it's certainly not publicly accountable.

If they're that dangerous, then get a court order forbidding them from flying. Then everyone will know who is, and isn't, on the no-fly list. Furthermore, the court proceedings will give defendants due-process rights to ensure that only truly dangerous people are on the list. Right now, there are no due-process rights; no-one knows how a name gets on the list, and no-one knows how to get a name off the list. (Heck, there's no way to even confirm if a name is on the list.)

And most of those places and conditions are actually checking things other than identity, even though one presents an identity document to confirm them.

I’m not sure where you’re going here. Are you saying all GA aircraft with MTOW greater than 12500 lbs should be mandated to only fly in controlled airspace?


A TSO can moonlight off-duty in uniform?

Even in the rare occurrence that something does happen with a private plane -- exactly how much damage are you going to have?

Because... if you remember, it happened. Didn't do much at all, actually. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1744923.stm

I should point out that LASP will not directly affect light GA aircraft*. However, towards the end of WWII a B-25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building due to bad WX. Although unfortunate, there were only about a dozen fatalities.

*The hobbling of our GA infrastructure would certainly trickle down with a negative effect on owners of light GA aircraft.