First you would have to train them in Japanese management techniques.
What's next, Spiff?

TSA delenda est.

DHS delenda est.

We've already proven just what they don't accomplish, and what they do accomplish is either not needed or not wanted. Just reading the "Right Wing Lexicon" and the MIAC report that named supporters of certain politicians and supporters of certain opinions (not to mention returning war veterans) as "terrorists" tells you exactly where things are going in the next four years.

And if you TSOs bring in law enforcement, you had better be right, or your PASS score is going to be the least of your worries.

If an inspection of any type is required then all who enter the secure area should be inspected and held to the exact same standards, travelers, pilots, crew, ground workers and certainly TSA employees.

An effective means to challenge at the checkpoint decisions by TSO's up to the FSD's office.

A means to recover property that was not permitted by TSA.

Publication of exactly what the screening process entails along with a complete list of prohibited items.

Plenty of occupations require that.

Further, looking at the numbers of screeners who have been caught stealing, smuggling, or blatently bringing a gun to work (Alvin), etc., even using the TSA's own low-ball numbers, please give us one good reason why you, collectively, should be exempted?

no, not gonna slam :).....

i used to have that happen when i managed a central cash vault for a large bank. everyone entering and leaving was not only searched (i.e. bags x-rayed and wtmd'd) but you were weighed. i have no problem with it at all as it is a coe an there were no exceptions-i.e. when the president of the bank did his annual christmas eve day walk-around to wish all the employees happy holidays, he got the same treatment as everyone else.

:DTell you what, pay me the pay & benefits that I feel sure you folks that were searched in & out daily & I'll be more than happy to comply as I can assure everyone on this board that I've nothing to hide now or ever have had.

Thanks for not giving me the big slam:D for the most part we are just going to have to agree to disagree on certain things as no one will win.

All the more reason for the searches. To follow your line of reasoning, only those at a certain level on the overall pay scale should be subjected to screening upon entering/leaving the 'sterile' area & you feel screeners fall below that level.

If that's truly the case, then the argument can easily be made that the screeners are more likely to be enticed by a bribe into doing something bad, such as bringing banned objects into the 'sterile' area, stealing from passengers baggage, or turning the other way while someone else does, than someone on the higher end of the pay scale.

In fact, if memory serves, the reason the so-called Black Widows were able to smuggle explosives thru the check-points in Russia a few years ago is because the screeners were bribed to let them thru.

Regardless of where one is on the payscale of life, there's always the possibility someone can be coerced, somehow, into doing something bad. A 'sterile' area isn't 'sterile' as long as numerous categories of people are allowed to by-pass the screening process. Until that is changed, anything less is just more of the usual TSA 'theater'.

I am NOT a TSA employee. Please do not put me in that group.

Actually, first one would have to train them in honor. We know there's none of that at the TSA. :td:

The first job I had that required me to be searched on entry and exit I was making $8.52 hr + shift differential. The only benefits I got was paid vacation and sick days.

All I was doing was running a printer. No high powered important job.

The key is all employees and visitors were subject to the same security. Even our security people were searched. The only perk that "higher ups" got was they were bumped to the front of the line, by those in line trying to kiss their butts.

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:)

i'm not so sure you would have wanted to make what some of my staff were making as it was between 25-35k (wages from 5 years ago) and most were part time (not my choice but the company's as less than 35 hours/week, no benes). the president of the bank on the other hand...i was below the poverty level when you compared my salary to his :eek:

now as to agreeing to disagree....that to me is a win-win ^ because that's how you have a dialogue/conversation. it's when your don't agree to disagree.......;)

What to do with the TSA short term-

1. Full accountability of TSA employees, with levels of discipline up to and including termination. Fail a Red Team test? You’re fired. A pattern of complaints from PAX and not following the SOP? You’re fired.

2. Initiate a focus on customer service training instead of barking and asking “Do you want to fly today?” The fact that the TSA has publically stated that customer service is not a priority in its Engage! training is appalling. Ditch the LEO look-alike uniform and tin badge ($14 million waste of taxpayer money). TSOs are not law enforcement.

3. End the War on Liquids. The exemptions make it pointless, and even if there was such a Magic Liquid™ that could be used to create a bomb if you just had enough of it, just send ten guys through the checkpoint with their Kippie Bags and combine it airside.

4. End the Shoe Carnival. The X-Ray machine cannot detect explosives, period.

5. Eliminate the gate screenings. The fact that this is being done in MCI, where each gate area pretty much has its own checkpoint to start with, is proof that this is nothing more than security theatre and workfare.

6. Get rid of the No Fly List. There’s no effective means of redress or oversight how the list is managed. If the people on these lists are so dangerous, arrest them.

7. Stop the ID checks. The TSA has no need to know who I am or where I’m flying. This is nothing more than revenue protection on behalf of the airlines. The thought that I must “present my papers” to travel within the border of my own country is disgusting.

8. Stop using the checkpoint as a dragnet. I’m tired of the TSA patting itself on the back every time it catches a college kid with a fake ID, illegal alien going home, or some common criminal wanted on a drug charge somewhere. These actions are not the mission of the TSA; we have other government agencies tasked for this.

9. Kill LASP dead in its tracks. There is no reason whatsoever the TSA should encroach on General Aviation. This is nothing more than a back channel way for the airlines and the Air Transport Association to make GA less of a viable alternative.

10. End the mission creep. What on earth was the mayor of TPA thinking when he asked the TSA to provide BDOs at the Super Bowl? What do sporting events have to do with transportation?

What to do with the TSA long term-

The TSA should become a part of the DOT. Actual screening should be done by private contractors with oversight by the DOT or FAA. Funny how we never heard the constant stories of mistreatment and harassment of PAX, organized rings of theft and general thuggery when this was being done by private sector firms.

Excellent post!