They are busy making sure you never see the 10 commandments in a public place.

That would just annoy members of the Church of God, the Utterly Indifferent. (A small, but fictional sect)

Hmmm, let me get back to you on that.......

HELLO!!! The American Confused Liberals Union is not going to be in any hurry to go up against the far left party line of the current occupant of the White House. The ACLU pretends to be a champion of the Bill of RIghts, but always seems to be conspicuously absent when the 2nd on the list is being trampled on. They aren't going to go up against the man they were so bent on getting elected either. His administration could end this tomorrow if they wanted to, but they won't. And the ACLU will be silent about it.

--PP

Firstly, as someone who IS a Leftist, I can assure that Obama is not.

Secondly, the ACLU has no "party line," and as a quick browse through their web-site will inform you, they have more than once come to the defence of right-wing extremists who had their 1st Amendment rights threatened by hate-crimes legislation and other statutes.

Thirdly, in my experience those like DICK Cheney who are worried about the 2nd Amendment never seem to care about the other 15.

nicely said.

And here is the crux of the problem as I see it with the general argument in this forum about �rights�. A failure to understand.

No one is going to actively defend your rights, they will do so only for their own rights and if you happen to have the same issue they may include you in their efforts. But they are not going to actively seek you out to find out if you think that your rights are being violated (unless they are going to get paid a great deal for it of course).

It is every individuals responsibility to advocate for their own rights, and in failing to do so get exactly what they deserve.

Forgive me, but that's an awfully cynical way of looking at things. There are plenty of people who volunteer in charitable organizations, civic organizations, religious organizations, and the like, who advocate for the rights of others not directly in their organization. They receive no personal benefit or financial benefit. Sometimes, doing the right thing is its own reward.

Excuuuuse me? If someone takes my rights away from me, it's my fault? Talk about blaming the victim ...

I have no problem with encouraging people to stand up and defend their own rights. But to claim that those who don't defend their own rights don't deserve them is preposterous.

You are still reading it to narrowly.
�(a) No person may:
(2) Enter, or be present within, a secured area, AOA, SIDA or sterile area without complying with the systems, measures, or procedures being applied to control access to, or presence or movement in, such areas.�
You didn�t read far enough, or very thoroughly.

� (2) The individual makes a request for authorization to enter a sterile area.
(c) An individual may not enter a sterile area or board an aircraft if the individual does not present a verifying identity document as defined in �1560.3 of this chapter, when requested for purposes of watch list matching under �1560.105(c), unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis.�
Sorry, not correct. �unless otherwise authorized by TSA on a case-by-case basis�. Additionally, add the following: �(a) No individual may enter a sterile area or board an aircraft without submitting to the screening and inspection of his or her person and accessible property in accordance with the procedures being applied to control access to that area or aircraft under this subchapter.�

Unless it is a part of the procedures for granting access to the sterile area. As such, ID verification IS a part of that procedure, and therefore required.


Been busy around here as well. This H1N1 thing is taking up a great deal of time and by the time I get home I am bushed.

I call it realistic, but I guess cynic works just as well.

TSORon has been a foster parent for nearly 20 years, and fully understands this point of view. He also understands that when the chips are down, when faced with their own self-interest or that of another persons, self-interest wins hand down every time.

No one can take your rights away from you (except a court), unless you willingly give them up.

That�s not what I said Jim. I said that if they let people take them away, then they get what they deserve. It�s a choice issue, one can either stand up for themselves or not, and in both cases they get what they deserve.

You are reading it too broadly, but you are in good company with Francine the Googling Lawyer.

49 C.F.R. �1540.105(a)(2) addresses not only the �sterile area� as related to systems, measures and procedures. It also includes secured areas, AOA�s and SIDA�s. For that reason, the other �systems, measures, or procedures being applied to control access to, or presence or movement in, such areas� are dependent on the particular area at issue. So, for example, in the case of SIDA�s an acceptable system would be the checking of ID�s. On the other hand the definition of sterile area sets forth the specifics for those systems, measures and procedures, which is the screening of persons and property. How is that screening accomplished � through the screening function, which is defined as �inspection of individuals and property for weapons, explosives, and incendiaries.� Until the CFR is amended, that is the limit for the sterile area and that does not include ID checking.

The oath I took at the Naturalization ceremony has similar words. This is why I consider Citizenship to be a title of honor and take these words very seriously.

Bull.

Someone shoots me in the chest and kills me. My right to life has been taken away from me without my consent. Sure, maybe I should've been wearing a bulletproof vest when I went down to the market to buy a gallon of milk. But I didn't willingly "give up my rights" by leaving my house without a flak jacket.

Someone breaks into my house and steals my TV. My property rights have been taken from me without my consent. Sure, maybe I should've hired a full-tme security guard to patrol the house. But I didn't willingly "give up my rights" by deciding not to hire a guard.

My boss fires me because my skin isn't the same color as his. My civil rights have been taken away from me without my consent. Sure, I could always file suit in court, claiming discrimination. But my failure to do so doesn't mean that my rights weren't violated in the first place.

Bull, right back at you. You believe that you have a right to life? What about those killed by lightning every year, or mud slides, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, car crashes, disease, falling space junk, the odd rogue cockroach in the ear, or an entire host of other things? Who deprived them of their right to life? Wrong Jim, you have the right to try. Shot in the chest is only one of many ways to get killed or be killed. And none of those killed has had their rights abrogated, dead people don�t have rights. Complain to the bullet, the lightning bolt, the mud, the flood, the weather, the earth moving, the car company (all to often this is what happens), or whatever. You have the right to live your life, until it ends. Then you have no rights.

You have the right to own a gun, buy an alarm system, get a dog, hire a security guard, build a fence, live in the country, or a whole host of other options right along with none of the above. Did he take your rights? No, he took your TV. Show me in the constitution the passage that says you have a right to own a TV.

It does if you refuse to defend those rights. Refuse and you get exactly what you deserve.

Some people would even find such a belief to be self-evident.