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Old May 10, 2009 | 9:27 am
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Old May 10, 2009 | 1:17 pm
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How many terrorists have traveled? Find that out for me and perhaps we can figure out how many out of that number were detected.
Boggie, if you couldn't figure out from this non-answer, the answer to your question is: zero.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 1:20 pm
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If BDO's are so dang good then why do they not spot their fellow co-workers who are dealing drugs or stealing from travelers baggage?

They work next to these people, attend the same briefs and such.

So out of the 10's of millions of people who travel in a years time how many terrorist has any TSA worker identified?

Point to one successful prosecution.
For the record, actor James Woods has spotted more terrorists than the TSA.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 2:17 pm
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Old May 10, 2009 | 3:21 pm
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Actually, terrorists are also amateurs. Yeah, hard to believe, but it's true. The planners, organizers, fund-raisers and bomb-makers are the professionals. But the person who actually carries out the attack is usually an amateur who has received training but has very limited operational experience. And, depending on the motivation, this person may exhibit even more suspicious behavior than even the drug smuggler.

Even so, even professionals have a hard time concealing their behavior. They all have a "tell."
How do you know that? Has that been the experience with the terrorists caught by the TSA?
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Old May 10, 2009 | 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
How many terrorists have traveled? Find that out for me and perhaps we can figure out how many out of that number were detected.
Bart please stop. Making statements like the one above does nothing to support your side and makes you look like a jerk.

You were asked a simple question that should be within you knowledge. If you don't know, just say so.

Maybe you have not figured it out, but most people on this forum do not want to get rid of security but simply want to improve it so that our God given rights are protected and the terrorists are stopped.

Questionable systems like the BDO program need to be discussed, but we do need or want a smoke screen introduced into that discussion.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 4:33 pm
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Maybe you have not figured it out, but most people on this forum do not want to get rid of security but simply want to improve it so that our God given rights are protected and the terrorists are stopped.
Bingo. That is the money statement, without a doubt.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 4:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Bart please stop. Making statements like the one above does nothing to support your side and makes you look like a jerk.

You were asked a simple question that should be within you knowledge. If you don't know, just say so.

Maybe you have not figured it out, but most people on this forum do not want to get rid of security but simply want to improve it so that our God given rights are protected and the terrorists are stopped.

Questionable systems like the BDO program need to be discussed, but we do need or want a smoke screen introduced into that discussion.
Sources from congress say that NO terrorists have been stopped by the BDO's.

Bart, that was one of your more inane comments.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 5:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
Maybe you have not figured it out, but most people on this forum do not want to get rid of security but simply want to improve it so that our God given rights are protected and the terrorists are stopped.

Questionable systems like the BDO program need to be discussed, but we do need or want a smoke screen introduced into that discussion.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 8:24 pm
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Old May 10, 2009 | 8:38 pm
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Most people in this forum accept TSA as a workable solution. There are aspects of screening that they find objectionable for legitimate reasons. It's only a handful of the forum members who come in here just to whine or come up with clever little cliche's that feed their unrealistic anti-TSA agenda.
Wrong. I don't believe that "most people in this forum accept TSA as a workable solution," at least in its present form.

Perhaps we should conduct a poll to see if Bart is correct.

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If you bothered to pay attention to the sum of my comments, you would find that I believe the BDO program, effective as it is at detecting suspicious behavior, is probably on its way out. It's biggest handicap is what I call the giggle factor. It's very difficult to articulate even though it does work. It simply doesn't play well in a court room.
What the giggle factor really is, is DHS trying to tell Congress why it should be funded when DHS can't point to a single terrorist detected by a BDO.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 8:51 pm
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Don't try to con me, cupcake. You're not interested in a serious discussion.
I am and you ignore me except to hurl excrement filled posts back at me, much like an enraged chimpanzee.

Most people in this forum accept TSA as a workable solution. There are aspects of screening that they find objectionable for legitimate reasons. It's only a handful of the forum members who come in here just to whine or come up with clever little cliche's that feed their unrealistic anti-TSA agenda.
Sorry, but TSA has proven itself to be an unworkable solution to security. Billions invested and what do we have to show for it? New uniforms, a mish-mash collection of unworkable, unseen rules and regulations for the masses? TSA and DHS upper level management are responsible for this mess and do next to nothing to resolve the issues. PV has questions go unanswered for months and you wonder why we neither like nor trust what TSA says.

If you bothered to pay attention to the sum of my comments, you would find that I believe the BDO program, effective as it is at detecting suspicious behavior, is probably on its way out. It's biggest handicap is what I call the giggle factor. It's very difficult to articulate even though it does work. It simply doesn't play well in a court room.
$160,000,000 spent on 180,000 stops and TSA has resulting how many terrorists brought to court? Hundreds? Dozens? None? That program shows just how incompetent TSA/DHS upper level management is in concocting unworkable/unfeasible programs designed not to increase security, but instead designed to increase both the budget and funding at the expense of real security. It would seem that the ROI on the BDO program is zero.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 9:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Don't try to con me, cupcake. You're not interested in a serious discussion.
For a behavioral specialist you suck at deeming motive.

Originally Posted by Bart
Most people in this forum accept TSA as a workable solution. There are aspects of screening that they find objectionable for legitimate reasons. It's only a handful of the forum members who come in here just to whine or come up with clever little cliche's that feed their unrealistic anti-TSA agenda.
A workable solution once it is overhauled and fixed, maybe.

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If you bothered to pay attention to the sum of my comments, you would find that I believe the BDO program, effective as it is at detecting suspicious behavior, is probably on its way out. It's biggest handicap is what I call the giggle factor. It's very difficult to articulate even though it does work. It simply doesn't play well in a court room.
I do pay attention to the sum of your comments, that is why it disappoints me so much that you would avoid a simple question and try to reword the question so you can give a soft answer.

I think the BDO program should be killed and expanded. Having supposedly special officers to wander the airport hoping to catch a terrorist is silly and ineffective.

On the other hand giving the same basic awareness training to all the TSOs would increase the chances of catching weapons explosive and incendiaries.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 12:58 am
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On the other hand giving the same basic awareness training to all the TSOs would increase the chances of catching weapons explosive and incendiaries.
The TSOs have already been given the basic awareness training. You cant perform BDO functions and run an xray or TDC. That would lead to real trouble. TSOs have enough trouble staying focused on their assigned positions.
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Old May 11, 2009 | 1:07 am
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It simply doesn't play well in a court room.
I will challenge anyone here to provide a court case where a BDOs observations were cause to dismiss a case. Several BDOs have been to court already.
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