If Burger King started abusing and torturing cows and people continued to work there, you bet I'd have something to say to the employees if I was a Burger King customer.

Burger King is one of many choices for food. Would that there were many choices available for commercial air travel without disgusting, un-American harassment.

Nobody put a gun to a TSA employee's head and said "you're working for us now, like it or not." These employees choose to work at TSA, despite its un-American, disgusting harassment that it forces on the traveling public. Sympathy? Zero.

The truth is that Gate Screening has never left. It has always been one of the options that the FSD has at their disposal.

Angry Dan

MKEBound on here had his First Amendment rights violated at MKE for writing "Kip Hawley is an idiot" on his plastic baggie. They detained him for 25 minutes, harassed him and told him that his rights didn't apply at the checkpoint (which they clearly do). It made national news. That's just one example.

Those who choose to fly without ID because they wish to preserve their privacy will no longer be able to fly tomorrow thanks to Kippie's new regulation. If you forget it ... it's ok. No more SSSS just for not wanting to show it. That infringes on the right to free movement and association.

I don't agree with them. That's like grabbing someone by the short and curlies and asking them to agree to something before you let go.

Besides, there's a term in law called unconscionable. If something is found to be unconscionable, meaning totally unfair and unjust that it can't be enforced in a contract even if someone "agrees" to it. Some of what TSA does is unreasonable. I'd argue that a lot of what it does in conscionable.

Here comes the famous "remember 9/11" mantra again :rolleyes:

I wouldn't speak for everyone. I think many agreed that security need to be looked at to find out what failed. We found that it was the highest levels ignoring a threat when it was presented to them before hand and the mentality of cooperating with hijackers. Ground security didn't fail. No one at the time thought a hijacking would turn a plane into a missile. Those holes were subsequently closed.

We're inconvenienced by more than a few minutes. TSA does little to keep us safe while arguably infringing on various rights. Nazism is a bit strong. Then again, the Nazis didn't rise to power overnight but rather little by little.

Not yet, though they have crossed the line with some searches (drop your pants, etc). Kippie's already pushing out backscatter scanners that equate to virtual strip searches. I think it's just a matter of time before it happens.

Read this forum. They abound.

I appreciate measures taken that enhance security. The vast majority of TSA's measures don't. They only add difficulty, harassment and wasted time. They make people feel safe, but there's even evidence that that dog and pony show is starting to fail too.

You mean the National Guard guys that carried unloaded weapons? We'd just be replacing one form of security theater for another. :rolleyes:

The Gate Gestapo is operating this morning at MCI - Gate 24, Terminal A, Midwest Airlines.

And if the president does it must be legal. Is that the same logic?

Maybe it's nitpicking but the TSA is an Administration. Please refer to as such and not as an organization. The latter is typically used in connection with a group conducting their work outside the boundaries of accepted legalities... oh wait, never mind.

The mod has already asked us to stay on topic, but I wanted to reply. Sorry mod, no access to Omni yet.

I never said it was legal. I said it was up to the courts to decide if it was legal or not. It is not up to you or me to decide if it's legal. We do NOT have the authority to do so. We can have an opinion, but that's it.

So I stated they have not "betrayed any trusts" and I stick by that comment. Until a court says what they are doing is legal or not, they are simply doing their jobs, getting a paycheck, and supporting themselves and in some cases, their families. I can't get too upset at the PEOPLE doing that.

And, as a US citizen and fairly frequent flyer, I don't like the remove the shoes, 3-3-1, gate checking, etc, any more than anyone else. BUT I realize that it is what it is right now, until OUR government changes it. Hopefully the next administration will do so.

Oh, and to add to the madness, Mrs. GHF came through the checkpoint after me. I had rolled my eyes when the ID checker went over my passport with a blacklight and used the lupe on the boarding pass.

After we were on the plane, Mrs. GHF told me that one ID checker had said to the screener standing next to him: "he's not very happy, is he? He should just comply like everyone else". Mind you, I said not one word.

I have no doubt that had this been a TSA airport that I would have been detained and checked by a spotter simply because I rolled my eyes at the charade.

However, you can help to make that change come faster if you protest by your actions and words, both spoken and written.

A few days ago I was flying out of an NYC airport (terminal's 1st flight of the day), and, as expected, gate screening. However the screener was a few meters away (less obvious). Out of six passengers in F which one did he pick? The (sort of) middle-eastern looking guy. Big surprise.

unbelievable!

That's about right.

If "right" = expected, I'll agree. If "right" = the right thing to do, then no.

How about targeting the groups most likely to bring banned items (in my very limited experience, this is probably senior citizens or parents with children)? :D