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NWstu Jun 18, 2008 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by bfetch (Post 9901044)
Laws? We don't need no stinkin' laws! (Blazing Saddles reference if you're confused)

The line comes from the 1935 novel The Treasure of the Sierra Madre but was popularized in the 1948 movie of the same name starring Humphrey Bogart.

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bocastephen Jun 18, 2008 5:36 pm

Can we create a list of airports and concourses where these gate screens are occurring right now?

callie-girl Jun 18, 2008 5:53 pm

Gate screened two years ago at BWI and the post-security water bottle was indeed taken from me.

Waiting to hear if that is still in effect.

GoingAway Jun 18, 2008 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by callie-girl (Post 9902197)
Gate screened two years ago at BWI and the post-security water bottle was indeed taken from me.

Waiting to hear if that is still in effect.

If they take my 2-3 liters of water I purchase after passing thru security each trip, I will be calling a LEO to the scene. That is theft and nothing but!!

mikeef Jun 18, 2008 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 9899131)
I've seen some REALLY pissed-off people that are pulled at WN boarding gates. Especially those that paid extra to board first....

I completely forgot about that. Man, I'd be ripped if I got pulled aside after paying extra. I hope Southwest bills the TSA for all of the refunds that they have to issue.

The policy I always used at the gate was not to look at them. If you make eye contact, they've got you.

Mike

GoingAway Jun 18, 2008 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 9902315)
I completely forgot about that. Man, I'd be ripped if I got pulled aside after paying extra. I hope Southwest bills the TSA for all of the refunds that they have to issue.

The policy I always used at the gate was not to look at them. If you make eye contact, they've got you.

Mike

Either don't look at them or make sure its obvious how much "stuff" you have with them ... they were extremely lazy and often picked the folks with the least amount of carry-on

gh3319 Jun 18, 2008 6:25 pm

in feb. or march I was gate screened at ORD at or near B5 on a TED flt. to PHX. I always buy a bottle of soda when I fly TED and it was clearly visible on the outside of my carryon. nothing was said about it.

I was more than p----d off about the stupidity of this experience!

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Jun 18, 2008 6:57 pm


Pretty much. The ADASP is a duty that TSO's volunteer to do...
Not where I work! Fortunately, they rotate the assignment ... I've only had to do it once, thank Goddess!

The first person I picked to pick on had been stuck at the airport since the previous day (flight cancelled due to bad weather). She was surprisingly upbeat about being picked for additional screening ... I think she was glad to have someone to rant to!

My second victim was part of a family taking their kid on a Make-A-Wish Foundation vacation ... oy! :(

justhere Jun 18, 2008 7:16 pm


Originally Posted by amejr999 (Post 9897166)
What, is it possible to grow a prohibited item past the checkpoint? :confused:

Actually, yes it is. And I'm being serious. Obviously you can't grow something but there is a security hole that, with a little planning and time, would grant you very easy access to just about anything that is carry-on size. The average person wouldn't use it; however, the type of person that the TSA claims it is trying to stop would certainly use it. And I'm not telling them something that they don't already know.

This is not to say that I support gate screening or TSA in general. I'm just pointing out that yes, you can go through security without a prohibited item and still board a plane with a prohibited item. Not including liquids purchased airside. Although that should give you a clue what i'm talking about.

N830MH Jun 18, 2008 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 9902110)
Can we create a list of airports and concourses where these gate screens are occurring right now?

Sure, absolutely. I knows PHX does not have the secondary screening at all. Because TSA wasn't there at the gate areas but, they are working at the checkpoint instead of secondary screening. I wasn't feels confidence from TSA. I went down into the concourse to look it around. I was on breaks from work but, I usually down into the sterile area. I wasn't concerns from TSA is not eventually put to secondary screening at the gates.

Customers must to show the obtain boarding pass & ID, too. Before passengers is allows onboard the aircraft. If someone who gotten misidentification match but, agents will let's someone need go to secondary screening. They will wanding you & search the carryon bags, too.

PHLflying Jun 18, 2008 10:23 pm

they got the propoganda for gate screening on the site, we're all for it!
 
Well per the website, and their interview with passengers, its OK "Anything that makes us safer, I'm all for it"

http://mfile.akamai.com/25703/wmv/ts...g_at_gates.asx

dblevitan Jun 19, 2008 5:22 am


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 9902482)
The first person I picked to pick on had been stuck at the airport since the previous day (flight cancelled due to bad weather).

So you're saying these "random" checks are actually "We don't like the way that guy looks" checks? Real random checks should be "We will check 30% of people. As the person comes through, the PDA I have will spit out a YES or NO based on a random number."

goalie Jun 19, 2008 9:40 am


Originally Posted by PHLflying (Post 9903296)
Well per the website, and their interview with passengers, its OK "Anything that makes us safer, I'm all for it"

http://mfile.akamai.com/25703/wmv/ts...g_at_gates.asx

typical dog and horses' a$$ show

methinks they picked the wrong pax to interview. f/'ters would be much better than kettles, n'est pas? ;)

TheRoadie Jun 19, 2008 11:38 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 9905338)
f/'ters would be much better than kettles, n'est pas? ;)

For pretty much all definitions of "better." :)

Fredd Jun 19, 2008 12:07 pm

Why not deputize one FA on every flight to randomly search pax after they've boarded? @:-)

While providing much-needed extra income to the designated FA (a useful federal subsidy of sorts to the airlines), it would be much more efficient than the pre-boarding search, i.e. "Let me help you get that bag into the overhead, Sir, once I've finished rummaging through it."

Many domestic FAs are already well qualified to identify suspicious behavior, such as pax in F who ask for pre-departure beverages or who want their coats hung up, or especially UA flyers who ask if Ch 9 will be on.

:D


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