I'm surprised at sbm12's issue with NYC-area airports and the "no ID" schtick.

I've done it at each and every one; JFK, LGA, EWR (sorry, not Stewart) and have had no issues with TSA directly (EWR AA counter agent did more than balk - another post for later).

Tell them you have no ID, they complete a little form that notes the flight details (time, source, destination), the person who initiated the secondary (person that verified you have no ID), the person who performed the secondary and the resolution (resolved by TSA, detained & arrested by LEO, questioned & released by LEO, LEO did not respond) and off you go to your flight.

No muss, no fuss.

Done it each and every time I've flown by myself (the wife doesn't appreciate it - "Just show them your driver's license!") domestically in the past year and plan to continue it even after the "RealID" fiasco is supposed to begin.

Also, I've run into the situation where my wallet (actually a cigarette case) was opened and whether they knew to look for a DL or not didn't concern me in the least.

TSO's are NOT LEO's and so your statement of "No ID" cannot be construed to be a 'false statement' to an "officer". Lying to an LEO will get you arrested but there's no need to let the TSO escalate things to that point with a "refusal to show ID".

Just say no ID, accept the highlighter marks across the BP, go through secondary and then trash the marked-up one.

You did remember to print out two of them when you checked in, right?

As I noted in the title, I'd be all over supporting/championing anyone who flies to perform a "No ID Day" once a month. Not that I'm vicious or anything and want to see the Ma & Pa Kettles miss their flight but making the "ID verification" process farce more public could serve us more good.

Then again, devil's advocate says Jerk...er..Chertoff & Kippy would use it as publicity to further reinforce/entrench the "ID required to fly" mantra.

*sigh*

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...because that is what will become the issue.

Simply state that you desire to fly without presenting an ID. I wouldn't even start out as confrontational. If they find your DL when they read everything in your wallet, it's no big deal. You never said you didn't have an ID -- just that you decline to present it.

I don't know how you would coordinate this nation-wide, except through FT? It would be great if it got wider visibility through use of various blogs, etc -- maybe even the TSA blog itself!

Here's an idea -- maybe the best day to do this would be the first day that READ ID becomes effective. It will be chaotic enough with just the new "procedures" and the document checker workforce inability to deal with it. Adding a few dozen/hundred additional protesters who deliberately do not present an ID would ensure a complete train wreck.

This day would be the best chance to have local media present with Kippie, Chertoff, and the usual cast of Spokesholes primed & ready with their statements that "It worked like a charm" or "The first day went extremely well with only a few delays" etc.

Living around Dc this is a common occurance, with protesters disrupting traffic on an ongoing basis.

For protests to draw attention to whatever cause, you have to inconvience others, I know firsthand trying to get home everytime, someone blocks a bridge, protests at the IMF building etc.

Maybe I missed something, but what is the reason for printing two BPs?

FliesWay2Much has the idea. This is the day we should make our move. I will commit to booking a (refundable) ticket on this day and doing my part.

Who else is on board?

I have no idea what I'll be doing on May 11, 2013. Get back to me in say, 5 years' time.

Has it been pushed back that far? I thought there was an important date in 2008.

It is starting in '08, with full implementation expected by '13. If the TSA has their way then non-subservient states will have invalid IDs in '08 (pretty soon, actually) based on the expectation that they will not participate in the program

Is it really starting? This is what wikipedia says:

Portions of the Real ID Act pertaining to states were scheduled to take effect on May 11, 2008, three years after the law passed, but the deadline had been extended to December 31, 2009.[34] On January 11, 2008, it was announced the deadline has been extended again, until 2011, in hopes of gaining more support from states.[35]

OK, I should've said it from the beginning, and I've since edited the first post: anyone who prefers a day other than the 22nd should please provide some sort of justification. (I don't have to justify it, because I had the idea in the first place and it's my thread! )

Seriously though, I could switch my leading post to the 11th, but I really didn't want it to ever align with 9/11 and become a misinterpreted distraction. Thoughts?

Hmmm...maybe they did push it again. I haven't seen anything specifically from the TSA pushing their enformcement, but that may just be one of their layers of security

From http://www.federalregistersearch.com.../9/07-1009.aspAlthough Chertoff will undoubtedly try to ignore the extension, as will the TSA suits.

Would this be treated as civil disobedience as we've all learned in history books is the American way if we want to change something--or would we all be indicted for conspiracy for having coordinated this? Meaning: It used to be that if you participated in a sit-in, you might just be arrested for the sitting-in itself, and either charged with a misdemeanor or eventually have the charges dropped. Now you'd probably be brought up on Federal charges for interfering with something that had some tangential relationship to national security--if we bring the TSA to its knees for a day dealing with thousands of extra SSSScreenings, we'll be "aiding and abetting the terrorists".

I agree with the sentiment of the OP. However, someone upthread thought that doing this would "screw" a lot of people.

I disagree. If you refuse to show ID and get sent to secondary, the "real" line keeps moving and may actually speed up. However, the line for those awaiting secondary screening will grow...and grow...and grow. Some supervisors may devote a few aditional resources to secondary screening, but if they know its driven by a protest I doubt they will.

Now, if there were a way to, dare I say "sabotage" the entire process at the point of ID checking, that would create chaos. Any ideas?

Unfortunately, I think that any civil protest like this will be roundly ignored by the civil servants. They get paid whether you get on your flight or not. The media might do a brief story, but they'll be cowed by Chertoff or Kippy saying "we need this for national security" and "the 9/11 commission recommended we do this, so that's what we're doing".

Remember that the goal of a civil servant is to avoid accountability. The screeners avoid it by saying "this is policy", the SES folks get themselves off the hook by saying "the commission recommended it", and the commission avoids personal responsibility because it's a committee.

Welcome to inside the beltway.

So... the screeners won't care, they'll just let us pile up. Other passengers won't care if they're allowed to go quicker. Higher ups won't care because they'll miss the point entirely. The Greenpeace protest in London was more effective....

(Don't get me wrong - I think some kind of protest is desirable. Anything that even smells like civil disobedience will be met with force, because after all, that's what Governments do [see: Chicago, 1968]).