LIH TSA refuses valid licence
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Is TSA just writing some code on the BP which is checked by the guy at the WTMD, or are they escorting the pax to the SSSS line?
I normally print 2 or 3 copies of my BP, because I'm prone to losing them. I probably should start using a different copy at the WTMD than I do at the ID check.
I normally print 2 or 3 copies of my BP, because I'm prone to losing them. I probably should start using a different copy at the WTMD than I do at the ID check.
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Not necessarily. I doubt most WTMD screeners would send do anything about a totally unmarked BP; the "all is OK" scribbles you get if you "pass" the ID check are so small and erratic that I suspect they are easily ignored.
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"An unusually high proportion of agressive and belligerent TSO in Hawai'i."?
Sorry - but I'm not agreeing with that. I've never experienced that type of behavior from a TSO in Hawai'i.
As for "OGG not being designed for TSA type security.....what airport was? Cholula asserted "And the lines at OGG, due to increased security, are some of the longest in the U.S.". That is his subjective opinion and factually innaccurate, also, I'm afraid.
Sorry you feel that the "unpleasant experience" passing through Hawai'i security is the majority......I'll have to take my place in the minority section.
Mrs kaukau and I might just fit some in this forum's notion of "sheeple", with our kippie bag, ID and BP's in good order, slippahs off, no jewelry or belt buckles on our person, etc., etc.......but we just breeze through security here in Hawai'i slicker than snot with just a couple of "Howzit"s and "Aloha"s, dozens and dozens of times a year.
Wish the same for you all!
Aloha Kakou!
Sorry - but I'm not agreeing with that. I've never experienced that type of behavior from a TSO in Hawai'i.
As for "OGG not being designed for TSA type security.....what airport was? Cholula asserted "And the lines at OGG, due to increased security, are some of the longest in the U.S.". That is his subjective opinion and factually innaccurate, also, I'm afraid.
Sorry you feel that the "unpleasant experience" passing through Hawai'i security is the majority......I'll have to take my place in the minority section.
Mrs kaukau and I might just fit some in this forum's notion of "sheeple", with our kippie bag, ID and BP's in good order, slippahs off, no jewelry or belt buckles on our person, etc., etc.......but we just breeze through security here in Hawai'i slicker than snot with just a couple of "Howzit"s and "Aloha"s, dozens and dozens of times a year.
Wish the same for you all!
Aloha Kakou!
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Gee, what would they say to us Canadians with our very colourful DLs. My British Columbian has a picture of a sunset on it. Would that not be acceptable?
What about other countries' DLs? They are government issued IDs. Just not the US government. Internal domestic US travel do not require one to carry passports.
Then what then?
What about other countries' DLs? They are government issued IDs. Just not the US government. Internal domestic US travel do not require one to carry passports.
Then what then?
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I hate to say it, but I have to agree with the posts which see Hawai'i's TSA staff in a very poor light. I've encountered everything from downright rude to just wacko - wanding my bare feet as one wacko example, and it happened more than once.
The Aloha spirit seemingly vanishes right before the checkpoint and doesn't re-emerge until you're well away from the TSA's area.
If I was in the Governor's office, or even the mayor of an Island county, I'd be riding the FSD harder than lava down the pali to make sure all screeners in Hawai'i act as part of the 'ambassador' community which welcomes and promotes tourism, which can easily be accomplished while they do what passes for their jobs.
If necessary, I'd post state inspectors at the checkpoints who stood ready to intervene in extreme cases as well as accept and file complaints from customers who felt mistreated, and have one person responsible for escalating every reasonable complaint to the FSD over and over again until there was change.
Being rude and snarly does nothing to enhance security, and that goes for everywhere, not just Hawai'i.
The Aloha spirit seemingly vanishes right before the checkpoint and doesn't re-emerge until you're well away from the TSA's area.
If I was in the Governor's office, or even the mayor of an Island county, I'd be riding the FSD harder than lava down the pali to make sure all screeners in Hawai'i act as part of the 'ambassador' community which welcomes and promotes tourism, which can easily be accomplished while they do what passes for their jobs.
If necessary, I'd post state inspectors at the checkpoints who stood ready to intervene in extreme cases as well as accept and file complaints from customers who felt mistreated, and have one person responsible for escalating every reasonable complaint to the FSD over and over again until there was change.
Being rude and snarly does nothing to enhance security, and that goes for everywhere, not just Hawai'i.
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(But why are you getting wanded so much? We NEVER get SSSS'ed.)

Come on and hang loose with us as we pass through security "local style"......we'll show you how it's done!
Give us a shout the next time you visit!
Aloha Kakou!
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Last edited by kaukau; Jan 23, 2008 at 12:03 pm
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Mrs kaukau and I might just fit some in this forum's notion of "sheeple", with our kippie bag, ID and BP's in good order, slippahs off, no jewelry or belt buckles on our person, etc., etc.......but we just breeze through security here in Hawai'i slicker than snot with just a couple of "Howzit"s and "Aloha"s, dozens and dozens of times a year.
Bending over and taking it when being wronged by a rogue TSAer, something that happens in rare cases, and not doing anything about it....that's being "sheeple."
But I want to be clear....there's a difference between a rogue TSAer and someone whose just unpleasant to be around. The unplesasant nature is what I've experienced.
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Okay: I'm not here to promote Hawai'i tourism, or stand up for the TSA in Hawai'i, or persuade anybody that Maui No Ka Oi. (It is!) 
But having flown in and out of every airport in this State with TSA security, over and over and over again, I'm of the opinion that those with the agressive, belligerent attitude and the chip on their shoulder when it comes to airport security are us FlyerTalkers ourselves!
Granted, 4 or more trips in and out of our airports a month by Mrs. kaukau and myself gives us a just a snapshot of what goes on at TSA checkpoints, but honestly, we just don't see the abuse by the TSA that raises such indignation and outrage from our fellow FTers, and you'd think by now we would.
I don't know what else to tell ya.
Aloha Kakou!

But having flown in and out of every airport in this State with TSA security, over and over and over again, I'm of the opinion that those with the agressive, belligerent attitude and the chip on their shoulder when it comes to airport security are us FlyerTalkers ourselves!
Granted, 4 or more trips in and out of our airports a month by Mrs. kaukau and myself gives us a just a snapshot of what goes on at TSA checkpoints, but honestly, we just don't see the abuse by the TSA that raises such indignation and outrage from our fellow FTers, and you'd think by now we would.
I don't know what else to tell ya.
Aloha Kakou!
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Now that's FUNNY!
(But why are you getting wanded so much? We NEVER get SSSS'ed.)
Come on and hang loose with us as we pass through security "local style"......we'll show you how it's done!
Give us a shout the next time you visit!
Aloha Kakou!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
(But why are you getting wanded so much? We NEVER get SSSS'ed.)

Come on and hang loose with us as we pass through security "local style"......we'll show you how it's done!
Give us a shout the next time you visit!
Aloha Kakou!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
After I complained directly to HA customer service management and called them out on their nonsensical "it's secret and for your safety" reply as well as blogged about the experience here on FT, the harassment stopped.
About the only time I get stressed on the Islands is at the airport checkpoint, wondering what insanity will befall us next.
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Granted, 4 or more trips in and out of our airports a month by Mrs. kaukau and myself gives us a just a snapshot of what goes on at TSA checkpoints, but honestly, we just don't see the abuse by the TSA that raises such indignation and outrage from our fellow FTers, and you'd think by now we would.
Any attitude or malfeasance is merely frosting on a multi-tiered cake of unacceptable harassment in the United States or any nation that claims to be a champion of freedom or civil liberties.
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