Germany under Higher Security Threat?
Nov 18, 2007 | 4:22 pm
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Germany under Higher Security Threat?
So the past four flights, two more to go this month, to and from Germany have had FAM's on board (I know for a fact they were FAM's), btw, are they allowed ot sleep on the plane?, but back to where I was going....
It seems that EVERY flight in and out of the USA to Germany has FAM's on board and that Germany is under a higher threat level, anyone heard anything on this?
It seems that EVERY flight in and out of the USA to Germany has FAM's on board and that Germany is under a higher threat level, anyone heard anything on this?
Nov 18, 2007 | 10:52 pm
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Nov 19, 2007 | 11:38 am
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Could you please point to the thread? When did it happen?
Last time I was flying through FRA (September 1, 2007), I was subjected to the absolutely worst pat-down imaginable. I do not wish to go into every disgusting detail - I have done it previously.
I wrote a complaint to the US Consulate and to FRA "Customer service". Did it actually help or is it "Post hoc ergo propter hoc"?
Nov 19, 2007 | 3:19 pm
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More airports should do that. It's absolutely ridiculous. Went through security at IST. Then was harassed at AMS, my baggae was taken off the aircraft and I was taken to another room for extra screening. I barely camade it to the flight. I arrived in DTW and was sent over for another inspection by customs people, who already had a dossier on me, with the file open on their computer. One more screening when after customs. Almost missed my flight again.
Nov 20, 2007 | 2:34 am
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More airports should do that. It's absolutely ridiculous. Went through security at IST. Then was harassed at AMS, my baggae was taken off the aircraft and I was taken to another room for extra screening. I barely camade it to the flight. I arrived in DTW and was sent over for another inspection by customs people, who already had a dossier on me, with the file open on their computer. One more screening when after customs. Almost missed my flight again.
Since the US automatically rescreens all passengers after clearing customs/immigration for onward flights, it makes no sense to do the 'extra' security for US bound flights.
Nov 20, 2007 | 6:55 am
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^Army/Navy Tatts
^Gun outline shows thru the jacket/shirt
^Pelican Case that is always in First/Biz Class Over Head bins 2-3 rows back on Captains side.
^Board before ANYONE ELSE does, even the flight crew
^say they are a private investigator
^say they are ex-military
^hp phone's
^get special attention from the FA's as their meal is not avlb.
^drink coffee ALL NIGHT LONG
can i go on or does anyone else have any more to add?
Nov 20, 2007 | 8:00 am
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^Red passport
^Army/Navy Tatts
^Gun outline shows thru the jacket/shirt
^Pelican Case that is always in First/Biz Class Over Head bins 2-3 rows back on Captains side.
^Board before ANYONE ELSE does, even the flight crew
^say they are a private investigator
^say they are ex-military
^hp phone's
^get special attention from the FA's as their meal is not avlb.
^drink coffee ALL NIGHT LONG
can i go on or does anyone else have any more to add?
^Army/Navy Tatts
^Gun outline shows thru the jacket/shirt
^Pelican Case that is always in First/Biz Class Over Head bins 2-3 rows back on Captains side.
^Board before ANYONE ELSE does, even the flight crew
^say they are a private investigator
^say they are ex-military
^hp phone's
^get special attention from the FA's as their meal is not avlb.
^drink coffee ALL NIGHT LONG
can i go on or does anyone else have any more to add?
Some of the points you mention above are well and duly noted. They are considered by all the good FAMs I know and they try not to do them. Some, like the preboard, are airline policies that FAMs hate but must abide by for the nonce.
Unfortunately some FAMs don't take their jobs as seriously as others. You have some in every agency. And others who ordinarily would don't because they feel they've already been burned by preboarding so why bother?
Nov 20, 2007 | 8:00 am
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^Red passport
^Army/Navy Tatts
^Gun outline shows thru the jacket/shirt
^Pelican Case that is always in First/Biz Class Over Head bins 2-3 rows back on Captains side.
^Board before ANYONE ELSE does, even the flight crew
^say they are a private investigator
^say they are ex-military
^hp phone's
^get special attention from the FA's as their meal is not avlb.
^drink coffee ALL NIGHT LONG
can i go on or does anyone else have any more to add?
^Army/Navy Tatts
^Gun outline shows thru the jacket/shirt
^Pelican Case that is always in First/Biz Class Over Head bins 2-3 rows back on Captains side.
^Board before ANYONE ELSE does, even the flight crew
^say they are a private investigator
^say they are ex-military
^hp phone's
^get special attention from the FA's as their meal is not avlb.
^drink coffee ALL NIGHT LONG
can i go on or does anyone else have any more to add?
Last edited by mmartin4600; Dec 1, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Nov 20, 2007 | 8:44 am
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Nov 20, 2007 | 9:18 am
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I would really have to question the judgment of any FAM who did take his or her job seriously. Does anyone really believe that these guys are going to encounter a terrorist? They haven't yet. Probably never will. A few drunk or unruly passengers, sure, but a terrorist? No way. When pigs fly.
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Is it likely? No. Is it possible. Very much so.
Speaking as someone who has read some reports and know people I trust with my life who have told me incidents they were involved it, I'd say anyone who took this position of yours is kidding themselves. But by all means, keep those heads in the sand. It's a much more comfortable way to live.
Nov 20, 2007 | 9:25 am
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I know that the world can be a dangerous place. I just believe that the level of "security" expended on air travel has gone over the top. Reinforced cockpit doors and revised flight protocols made perfect sense and were cost-effective. Most of what the TSA does is not (especially since the liquid and gel ban). FAMs are somewhere in the middle.
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Nov 20, 2007 | 9:44 am
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I know that the world can be a dangerous place. I just believe that the level of "security" expended on air travel has gone over the top. Reinforced cockpit doors and revised flight protocols made perfect sense and were cost-effective. Most of what the TSA does is not (especially since the liquid and gel ban). FAMs are somewhere in the middle.
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)If you take a job, take it seriously. Most campus cops don't expect a Columbine or a Virginia Tech, but it will happen again and if it does they should be thinking, "Not on my watch."
Let's look at another stat - there hasn't been a death in the USA in a school by fire in the last quarter of a century, yet should be not take fire hazards seriously? Should teachers not take fire drills seriously? Should custodians not take checking fire equipment seriously? I mean, since it's statistically very, very unlikely to happen?
Nov 20, 2007 | 10:19 am
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I would really have to question the judgment of any FAM who did take his or her job seriously. Does anyone really believe that these guys are going to encounter a terrorist? They haven't yet. Probably never will. A few drunk or unruly passengers, sure, but a terrorist? No way. When pigs fly.
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Nov 20, 2007 | 10:37 am
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You would question the judgment of a FAM who did take his job seriously? I would question the judgment of one who didn't. And again, I was just curious on how iCorpRoadie picked out the FAM's on his flight. I don't want this to spiral into a philosophical discussion on the validity of the FAM Service.
I understand that they have to introduce themselves to the crew and all prior to passengers getting on board, but still, there has to be a better way, and why do they need 4 seats on an INTL flight??? come on, they only need two, one in front and one in the back of the plane. I know that 10,000 tax write off for the airline per seat but geeshe...