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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by rightseat
Secondary Screening is a joke, but it's the cost of flying in 2007. We have to deal with it.
It is a not so subtle distinction between "We have to real with it". And "You don't mind dealing with it".

It is a free country. You can do what you want. But please don't suggest that the rest of us roll over for a TSA tummy rub. We may have to endure it, for the moment, but that is about all.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by rightseat
Why is it so hard to show your ID? Honestly, this is childish.
It's one more intrusion and a maneuver that I just don't care for. You, on the one hand, don't have to endure secondary screening every time you fly because you are a member of a flight crew. Me, on the other hand, get the Full TSA Backrub because I have an artificial hip. Every time I turn around, screeners make sh(&) up because they can. Take your wallet out of your pocket. Oh, you have to remove your belt and it has to go through the xray after I have finished patting you down. Take your wristwatch off. . . I am not kidding about any of those demands.

I bought a wallet with an ID holder to make my ID visible to those who are authorized to see it. The only time anyone needs me to take it out of the holder is when they are going to take it back to the squad car and write me a ticket.

Tellers don't need me to take it out of the wallet, Airline ticket agents don't need me to take it out of the wallet, and $5.15 an hour security guards sure as hell don't need me to take it out of the wallet. So I don't.

I appreciate having airline and TSA contributions to these forums. But you really ought not to assume that these inconveniences should be acceptable to everyone who experiences them.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by essxjay
It isn't. But it is a needless hassle that some here find particularly annoying.

Since ID isn't required to fly, what possible purpose is served by badgering people to present it out of the holder?
Because they don't want to be accused of theft. This seems obvious. They would have to be idiots to accept an ID in a holder or wallet that could conceivably contain cash or any other valuable item. I understand folks here don't like the TSA - I'm not a fan myself - but does that make everything they do bad? This "black/white" outlook is one thing that makes many folks who don't travel as much think that critics of the TSA are kooks.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 10:44 pm
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Not just folks who don't fly much, plenty of people in the industry are familiar about the site. There has been more than one occasion where a few laughs have been had in the lounge regarding the boards.

I began my career with an airline that had a strong FF program. The worst passenger to have was a FF upgrade with an attitude, it led to endless headaches. Of course some of the best pax were FF types as well....

I'm not bashing anyone personally, but there are some people that travel with a chip on their shoulder. The airlines have spoiled everyone. It's so bad that people balk at taking I.D. out of it's holder.

Yea, it's a flawed policy. Why not just comply? What can you do to fix it? I guarantee causing a fuss at the checkpoint will get you nowhere, it takes an entire 10 seconds...

The people here want to abolish the TSA. Unless you drastically change the entire concept, wipe 60% of the personnel, and triple the pay, we will have the same problems. We know this would never happen, not in the good ol' USA...
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 10:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Dresden
It's one more intrusion and a maneuver that I just don't care for. You, on the one hand, don't have to endure secondary screening every time you fly because you are a member of a flight crew. Me, on the other hand, get the Full TSA Backrub because I have an artificial hip. Every time I turn around, screeners make sh(&) up because they can. Take your wallet out of your pocket. Oh, you have to remove your belt and it has to go through the xray after I have finished patting you down. Take your wristwatch off. . . I am not kidding about any of those demands.
I have a rod and six screws in my leg from a motorcycle accident. I have a note from my MD at all times, never had any problems. I take my watch off, sometimes my belt.

Whatever it takes to get me on my way.

When we travel with family and friends, I always use the normal line. Never have had any problems.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 10:55 pm
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Originally Posted by essxjay
It isn't. But it is a needless hassle that some here find particularly annoying.

Since ID isn't required to fly, what possible purpose is served by badgering people to present it out of the holder?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion.
Im a bit suspicious of TSA checking ID esp those with US addresses in the same state. For example, Joe flies frequently out of LAX. He lives within driving distance of the airport. every time he goes to the airport, he complies by showing his driving licence and BP. A few times, he shows his passport. The TSA staff do not have change much. The same TSA agent looks very intensely at Joe's driving licence and figures out the address. Joe's house got robbed one time while he was on a plane to ORD.

Who do you think is the culprit?
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by icarius
Joe's house got robbed one time while he was on a plane to ORD.

Who do you think is the culprit?
it couldn't be someone watching him for afew weeks, realizing how often he travels? Or a neighbor who sees this? Or someone who follows him to the airport, then goes back to his house?

I understand some of the stuff posted here about the TSA, but this seems to be a bit too far...
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by icarius
Im a bit suspicious of TSA checking ID esp those with US addresses in the same state. For example, Joe flies frequently out of LAX. He lives within driving distance of the airport. every time he goes to the airport, he complies by showing his driving licence and BP. A few times, he shows his passport. The TSA staff do not have change much. The same TSA agent looks very intensely at Joe's driving licence and figures out the address. Joe's house got robbed one time while he was on a plane to ORD.

Who do you think is the culprit?
Wow.

I am truly dumbfounded.
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by icarius
Im a bit suspicious of TSA checking ID esp those with US addresses in the same state. For example, Joe flies frequently out of LAX. He lives within driving distance of the airport. every time he goes to the airport, he complies by showing his driving licence and BP. A few times, he shows his passport. The TSA staff do not have change much. The same TSA agent looks very intensely at Joe's driving licence and figures out the address. Joe's house got robbed one time while he was on a plane to ORD.

Who do you think is the culprit?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a TSA employee. They all seem like thugs to me.

The only difference between the TSA and the mafia is that the mafia were held accountable for their crimes.
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 8:52 am
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As you can see in the linked photo, Coolio was not required to remove his ID from the holder..
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
Wow.

I am truly dumbfounded.
Dumbfounded that passengers are be suspicious of DHS/TSA employees and don't want to give them their addresses?

What about these creeps?

http://www.mtexpress.com/story_print...?ID=2005109268

http://www.informationweek.com/manag...leID=201807903

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12165485/

From someone who works at an agency that suspects flip flops and baby slippers may contain bombs, it shouldn't be a stretch to believe that some TSA agents would use information gathered in their jobs to steal from or harm passengers, should it?
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Old Nov 20, 2007 | 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by rightseat
Why is it so hard to show your ID? Honestly, this is childish.
Why should I need to show ID at all??? Just because I have an ID that matches my ticket, doesn't mean I won't do something bad. There is no reason wahtsoever to ID passengers at all. On top of that, why the hell do I have to take it out of its holder?????

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