THAT is ballsy!

LMAO!!!

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And therein lies your problem. You have stereotyped everyone who participates in this forum to your own personal classification.

Not everybody here cries civil liberties about the ID issue. If you would actually read what people have to say, you would see that most people, including myself, feel that producing ID does very little, if anything, to enhance security.

People have been told here by TSAers (and in person at checkpoints by TSAers) that if they don't like it, they don't have to fly.

Go ahead, do a search....you might see something that might supersede your preconceived notions.

I don't care what you think about convenience and principles. I simply asked what else that people can do that hasn't been mentioned in this forum already, and you brought nothing new to the table.

Maybe it's more convenient for you to do a broad-based character assassination of people here than to simply produce an answer to a relatively simple question.

My bad. I forgot to post the link as my son had distracted me.

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/kip%20h...rchBox/x_0/y_0

Tried finding one for "Do You Want to Fly Today?" but one hasn't been made yet.

BWI: didn't say anything.

DCA: TSO at WTMD stopped me, wanted to read it, and laughed hysterically.

IAD: 3 striper took a picture with his camera phone as he liked it. Got a real laugh at the checkpoint from several TSO's and supervisors.

SLC: Never commented directly to me in line. Last trip thru I was standing in line at the BK and some screeners saw it, laughed and agreed.

Come to think of it, I don't know of a TSO that I've talked to disagree yet. So maybe there's some hope.

I met dcstudent at DCA thru that. First question when he saw that shirt was "Are you an FT'er?"

A lot of DL and UA crew have commented about it, ranging from Who is Kip? to "I can't comment" (but with a smile), and one DL agent that said "I completely agree."

Think I even got the attention of a FAM at BWI. Couldn't confirm he was a FAM, but he had "the look" and sat in F.

A lot of pax, concession workers, etc, ask about it. If nothing else, it gets the wheels spinning.

What in the heck is wrong with you guys? Is every one pissed off? Who is happy at work? I would rather be at home spending time with my family after winning 100 million on the lottery. I go to work, do my job the best I can, insure that I get home alive to see my three kids, get off the aircraft and forget about work until the next day. The job is what it is. I fly all the time and sit were I am told to sit. I can give rats AS_ if I sit in coach, 1st class or the lavatory. I get paid the big bucks for the one second I may have to draw my weapon in 20 years as a FAM. I really don’t care what any of you negative people have to say. I am in the process of completing my master’s degree and laughing all the way to the deans list. I like the job and some times dislike it because of all the airline delays. There are thousands of people who are in line for my job and I know that. I am proud to be one of the true working FAMs who have been doing it for close to six years. I took this job because I was mad as hell after 9/11. I was a deputy sheriff and wanted to do my part in fighting these idiots who attacked us on 9/11. I dealt with the scum of the earth when I was on road patrol and have no interest in doing that again. You guys read too much into my last posting and I guess I should have read it again before I posted it. I was in a rush but I am not asking for anyone’s apology. Get a life and remember I pay taxes also. I served my county prodly 3 years active duty in the Navy anf then 4 years active duty in the Army as a MP. I am now serving my country to insure these idiots do not try and hijake the aircraft I am working on. If any of you think I am just sitting on my rear all day just sucking up the airline peanuts then you are wrong. I work out 4 times week , attend ground fighting school, run 3 miles every other day, and eat healthy. I not only do this for me but for all of you so that I am ready for that idiot who pops up on a plane with a weapon and yells “This is a hijacking!”. We can argue all day long about if this will every happen but I will be ready. I am a true American to the bone and am proud of my job.

I think his view comes from (and he's stated this in discussion previously) the fact that he thinks air travel is a convenience period (ie don't like it, take the bus), while others view air travel as part of their right to free movement.

Super

Dude,

Chill...Most of us who do this job would agree with many of your points. Most of us have the same kind of work "pedigree" that you do, or "more".

But, it seems as if you are relating that you are only in it for the "stable job", and "the money". I base that on comparing your posts in this thread. Thats ok if that is what floats your boat. Just please realize that many people, even if they find frustrations within their employment, take an outlook different than yours. A highly educated, trained, and experienced person does not generally have to just "put up with" a job.

I read your post, and while it does not bother me, I can tell you that many would have a hard time believing you are a masters student who doesn't take the time to proof read a post on a subject that you are obviously passionate about. I mean, how about a break for a new paragraph at the very least.

I'm sorry, but you may have very clear and concise thoughts, but they have not been transmitted onto the forum in that manner.

emphasis mine: yup, exactly what i was trying to say but you did a better job (complete with you saying Leave it to DHS to take something that was working fine and mess it up as i would simply say that dhs could ..... up a free lunch .



thank you and it goes both ways.....you've got a very tough job....managed by morons (sorry just mho) who don't spend time in the trenches to know the oerpational ins and outs, have operationally inefficient rules to follow and then add to that, the pressure that if you screw up just once, the schitt hits the fan in a big way and you know who's gonna be hanging out to dry...not your boss or their boss, right?


awwwww, man....don't do that.....i'll never be able to say "i saw a fam on my flight today" cuz your are truly gonna blend in <ok, i'll go to my room/the penalty box now but i just couldn't resist>

First, I never painted with a broad brush. Read my first post on this subject. Notice the use of the words "some."

Second, even if I had lumped everyone into one bucket, welcome to FlyerTalk. That seems to be the MO here - at least to TSA employees. What's good for the goose.......

Third, I can't give you a panacea. You have to take the stand that best represents your issue. If you think X is a problem, you have to take the steps that best address that issue. Another method might not work. There is no one size fits all.

Myself, I have used official channels (letters), personal meetings with officials and the media. You take the tack that addresses the issue(s), whatever that or those might be to you.

If it was a right you wouldn't have to pay for it.

You have the right to travel, but not the right to a conveyance. IMO. YMMV.

I can't believe you said that, law dawg.

That will cost you one "get out of corner free" passes!

Oh no! Can I take it back? Please?

Or at least let me keep clam!

Were that so, I wouldn't have to pay taxes. That implies I have no rights period because I have to pay the organization that "guarantees" those rights. Don't pay, I go the pokey and lose my rights.

You lost me here.

Name me one right that you have to pay to have. I can't think of one, although there may be one out there I'm missing.