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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 4:53 pm
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 4:55 pm
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Also, incorrectly posting the link (at first) which led to a secure log in screen was like Chief Brody throwing chum off the back of the Orca.
Yea -- I do have to admit that we are a pretty tough crowd. I should add that I sincerely appreciate the diverse set of views and opinions we see here.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:00 pm
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No. I like my job. If you think the above about your job I suggest you find another. Life is too short!
Exactly. I had a job where i sat in my office all day beating my head against a wall (aka diabetic education in the psych ward).

Now I'm a consultant and i love my job.

If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't get another one, try to get some skills through classes in the community college or something to make yourself more marketable.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:07 pm
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Yea -- I do have to admit that we are a pretty tough crowd. I should add that I sincerely appreciate the diverse set of views and opinions we see here.
Diverse? Are you kidding me? It's about 85 % TSA is a joke, 10% TSA is traitorish and about 5% maybe they aren't as bad as all that but they could do better.

Boy, some diversity.

Yet for all the complaining (and what not) I see precious little action. I have seen some people with the courage of their convictions take some stands but most of what I've seen here is people venting and talking about how crappy things are. At best it's the old "fire off a letter to someone" theory of affecting change that seems to be most prevalent here, which fails to impress.

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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:11 pm
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Yet for all the complaining and what not I see precious little action.

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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:20 pm
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I'm still looking for the "Kip Hawley is an Idiot" T-shirt. When someone finally makes one, put me down for a size Large.
I ordered one a long time ago and wear it every time I travel.

Not the same design I have, but several to choose from. I like mine as it has has his picture with a dunce cap on him.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:23 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
Yet for all the complaining (and what not) I see precious little action. I have seen some people with the courage of their convictions take some stands but most of what I've seen here is people venting and talking about how crappy things are. At best it's the old "fire off a letter to someone" theory of affecting change that seems to be most prevalent here, which fails to impress.
Not sure anyone is here to impress anyone, especially you.

Do you have any other suggestions as to what passengers can do about the TSA?
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:24 pm
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I ordered one a long time ago and wear it every time I travel.

Not the same design I have, but several to choose from. I like mine as it has has his picture with a dunce cap on him.
That's actually pretty funny.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
Diverse? Are you kidding me? It's about 85 % TSA is a joke, 10% TSA is traitorish and about 5% maybe they aren't as bad as all that but they could do better.
What, you're looking for cheer leaders? There's a few here. Folks like you add to the perspective.

Boy, some diversity.
Not perfect, but it's there.

Yet for all the complaining (and what not) I see precious little action. I have seen some people with the courage of their convictions take some stands but most of what I've seen here is people venting and talking about how crappy things are. At best it's the old "fire off a letter to someone" theory of affecting change that seems to be most prevalent here, which fails to impress.


The "just because I don't see it you're not doing it" argument. You think because it's not on CNN, people aren't doing anything? If people cause a riot, you'd say they were idiots for not staying within proper channel. People might be pissed off, but we're not law breakers either.

A lot of people here are doing things. They might not be flashy, but it's within the framework we have to try to get stuff get done.

Just what would you suggest, o paragon of protest?

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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
That's actually pretty funny.
The link was here on FT awhile back. Unfortunately, it was really hard to find on Cafepress's site, and it doesn't show me what I ordered previously other than a custom t-shirt.

Underneath his pic is says: "The bill of rights still applies at airport checkpoints despite TSA's assertion to the contrary."

On the back it has one of those WW2 style propaganda posters on the back that says:

Take the Homeland Pledge!

1. I promise never to bring up rights.

2. I promise to never question authority.

*Brought to you by the Ministry of Homeland Security.

Always a conversation piece at the airport.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by LessO2
Not sure anyone is here to impress anyone, especially you.

Do you have any other suggestions as to what passengers can do about the TSA?
Have the courage of their convictions. If they think flying with ID is a civil liberties violation then fly without it. Go through the hassle. If the TSA is a criminal organization then don't fly.

Convenience doesn't negate principle. If one only has principles when it's easy and convenient for them then I don't really think they're principles. Some people have taken these stands. Most, unless they're keeping them secret, have not.

If the principle is so strong (and anyone who states the TSA is made up of traitors/headed by, etc. obviously feels strongly about it) then why don't their actions match their words?

Thought is not action. Go do something about it, commensurate with what one believes the problem is. B!tching on a forum ain't it.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:31 pm
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
... we are a pretty tough crowd...
ok, tough guy, get out from behind your computer and find a FAM to berate in person ... preferably in an off duty setting ... LOL
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by law dawg
Yet for all the complaining (and what not) I see precious little action. I have seen some people with the courage of their convictions take some stands but most of what I've seen here is people venting and talking about how crappy things are. At best it's the old "fire off a letter to someone" theory of affecting change that seems to be most prevalent here, which fails to impress.
We're pretty much all civilians here. What action would you suggest?

What I see are people who encourage friends and coworkers to think about the reality of airport security.

People who write letters to their representatives and the media.

People who vote.

and, a few, who engage in civil disobidience. ^

The venting is just for fun, with perhaps a smidge of tough love for the "it's for the children" crowd.

I don't expect to see much of a change until after '08.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:34 pm
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What, you're looking for cheer leaders? There's a few here. Folks like you add to the perspective.
I'm in the 5%. The TSA needs many,many improvements. And I've gone on record, with the government, addressing what I think needs to be changed. I've also gone off the record.

Not perfect, but it's there.
Perhaps. I don't see it though.



The "just because I don't see it you're not doing it" argument. You think because it's not on CNN, people aren't doing anything? If people cause a riot, you'd say they were idiots for not staying within proper channel. People might be pissed off, but we're not law breakers either.

A lot of people here are doing things. They might not be flashy, but it's within the framework we have to try to get stuff get done.

Just what would you suggest, o paragon of protest?

Super
A number of things. Mostly it depends on what one thinks needs to be changed. I've gone on record stating things need to be changed. I've been off the record too. I've gotten some things that affect me changed.
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 5:34 pm
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Superguy, do you have a website for the T-shirt, or should I just google Cafepress? I want to wear this T-shirt on one of my training days.
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