Joe Sharkey in a close call
Oct 4, 2006 | 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Helliner
I understand you are happy for his life, which by the way was saved. But, what about the other 155 ones??? Don't they matter to you????Isn't this country (US) well known by its fairness? Come on... be fair...you shouldn't even say such a thing, just in respect to the families!
Oct 4, 2006 | 6:21 pm
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shame on you!
Hi guys !
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck
Oct 4, 2006 | 6:27 pm
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more info
Another info for you
The plane that Mr Sharley was flying had his communication equipments turned off.....nobody knows why....also they were flying in a level that they were not authorised to fly. They should have been 36 thousand feet but they were flying 37 thousand feet, exactly the gols plane route.
Nobody in the control could contact the Legacy plane.
Why ?
Thats why the pilots are being questioned, there are many questions unaswered and Brazil is correct in holding them to further investigation.
Why did the pilots changed their route without asking permission ?
Yes, many questions.......do you think pilots should be detained until everything is explained ? Would they be in the US ?
In brazil is the same, we want to know the answers for this major tragedy !
The plane that Mr Sharley was flying had his communication equipments turned off.....nobody knows why....also they were flying in a level that they were not authorised to fly. They should have been 36 thousand feet but they were flying 37 thousand feet, exactly the gols plane route.
Nobody in the control could contact the Legacy plane.
Why ?
Thats why the pilots are being questioned, there are many questions unaswered and Brazil is correct in holding them to further investigation.
Why did the pilots changed their route without asking permission ?
Yes, many questions.......do you think pilots should be detained until everything is explained ? Would they be in the US ?
In brazil is the same, we want to know the answers for this major tragedy !
Oct 4, 2006 | 6:30 pm
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I guess you are mistaken my friend. I am for the families , 155 that lost their sons, daughters, fathers, wives, children...sorry you don't understand!
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck[/QUOTE]
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck[/QUOTE]
Oct 5, 2006 | 5:39 am
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you are mistaken
Originally Posted by Helliner
I guess you are mistaken my friend. I am for the families , 155 that lost their sons, daughters, fathers, wives, children...sorry you don't understand!
Hi Helliner, that message was not for you. Did you mention anything about being worried with the pilots ? No. So it was not written for you. It was written for those who mentioned this in their posts.
Sorry YOU didnt understand my post.
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck
Hi Helliner, that message was not for you. Did you mention anything about being worried with the pilots ? No. So it was not written for you. It was written for those who mentioned this in their posts.
Sorry YOU didnt understand my post.
So, you too worry about the pilots who are being held in Brazil for further investigation ?
Thats why you like Mr Sharkeys writing, cos you think the same way as him ! Very selfish of all of you.
Do you know that the pilots are close to be proven guilty by what happened in Brazil last week ?
Do you know the Brazilian pilots flying the boing who went down in the jungle saved Mr Sharkeys and his friends life ?
Do you know, just for a chance, that 155 people died in what was the worst aircrash in Brazils history ?
What would happen to Brazilian pilots if they were to commit the same mistake and crashed into an American plane in the US? Would they be asked to clarify what happened ? What if they were proven to have made a mistake ? What would happen to them ?
Mr Sharley is alive, dont worry about him. But 155 families lost their loved ones. Most probably to save the life of the americans flying the small plane.
Think about that before worrying about the pilots of the legacy. They are fine. At the end of the day, the US embassy will find a way of taking them home and they will probably forget what happened. But the more than 100 families wont........ever.
Good luck
Oct 5, 2006 | 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by ztullz
The plane that Mr Sharley was flying had his communication equipments turned off.....nobody knows why
U.S. pilots deny turning off transponder
SAO PAULO, Brazil - The American pilots of an executive jet involved in a deadly high-altitude collision with a Boeing 737 have denied they turned off the transponder that signaled their location, authorities said Thursday.
Pilots Joseph Lepore, of Bay Shore, N.Y., and Jan Paladino, of Westhampton Beach, N.Y., repeatedly told investigators they never turned off the device that transmits a plane's location and believed that it was working just before the collision, said Denise Niederauer, a spokeswoman for the Mato Grosso do Sul State Public Safety Department
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061005/...plane_crash_35
Oct 5, 2006 | 5:52 pm
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Oh tom ! maybe not.....maybe yes !
The pilots denied, right ? Well, they will have to do more than just denying it.
Did they explain why they were flying 37 thousand feet instead 36000 assigned to them ? No.....
For the next link, try a Brazilian newspaper.....there are many more details available.
A brand new plane with a transponder which was not working properly ? mmmmm, possible, not likely though. Pilots experiencing with their new toy, or trying to fly undetectable and turning it off ? possible, more likely.
Anyway, lets see the result of the investigation. Anyhow, its hard to hear people worrying about pilots (who could have commited a crime), who by the way, are not in prison and have been treated very well since the accident, and not mentioning the people who died in this tragedy.
I wonder ..... what would happen if it was in your country.....and the pilots involved were non-americans ?? Would they be questioned ? Would they have to stay in the country to help in the investigation ? Would they be freed ASAP ?
LOL, I have to laugh at such a unilateral vision of some people.
I wont give you a link, google folha de sao pauloand follow the articles. I fyou find something interesting you can post it here for other people to read. But dont choose (again) the ones that suits you.
The pilots denied, right ? Well, they will have to do more than just denying it.
Did they explain why they were flying 37 thousand feet instead 36000 assigned to them ? No.....
For the next link, try a Brazilian newspaper.....there are many more details available.
A brand new plane with a transponder which was not working properly ? mmmmm, possible, not likely though. Pilots experiencing with their new toy, or trying to fly undetectable and turning it off ? possible, more likely.
Anyway, lets see the result of the investigation. Anyhow, its hard to hear people worrying about pilots (who could have commited a crime), who by the way, are not in prison and have been treated very well since the accident, and not mentioning the people who died in this tragedy.
I wonder ..... what would happen if it was in your country.....and the pilots involved were non-americans ?? Would they be questioned ? Would they have to stay in the country to help in the investigation ? Would they be freed ASAP ?
LOL, I have to laugh at such a unilateral vision of some people.
I wont give you a link, google folha de sao pauloand follow the articles. I fyou find something interesting you can post it here for other people to read. But dont choose (again) the ones that suits you.
Oct 5, 2006 | 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ztullz
For the next link, try a Brazilian newspaper.....there are many more details available.
Oct 5, 2006 | 5:57 pm
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I am legitimately interested in what the Brazilian newspapers are saying about this terrible tragedy, but you probably won't be too surprised to learn that I can't read Portuguese (although I can spell it!). It would be helpful if you could simply tell us about those news reports without accusing us of being heartless or having U.S.-centric views of the world.
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Oct 5, 2006 | 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by ztullz
For the next link, try a Brazilian newspaper.....there are many more details available.
If you could please post a few paragraphs from a Brazilian newspaper here, it would be much appreciated. Portuguese is not one of the languages I am fluent in.
I wonder ..... what would happen if it was in your country.....and the pilots involved were non-americans ?? Would they be questioned ? Would they have to stay in the country to help in the investigation ? Would they be freed ASAP ?
I'm certain they would be asked to stay around to help with the investigation, but they would be free, so to speak.
I'm not aware of any pilots in the US that have been criminally prosecuted in past accidents where mistakes have been made in the US (please correct me if I'm wrong). Just recently we had an accident here with a regional jet where the aircraft took off from the wrong runway. The co-pilot, who was in command of the aircraft during take-off survived and I doubt he'll be facing any criminal charges.
On the other hand, there is civil litigation underway, and I believe the co-pilot has been named a defendant in one of the cases.
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Dec 11, 2008 | 7:55 am
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Vanity Fair Article
Just a heads up, though I haven't read it yet, there is an article in the current issue of Vanity Fair (the one w/Tina Fey on the cover) re: this accident, for anyone who's interested. Looks like it's a pretty lengthy one, too.
Dec 11, 2008 | 8:27 am
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Also a few charges were dropped against the pilots of the private plane and also dropped against the ATC guys. Some of the most serious charges still pending against the pilots, though.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...cordings_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...cordings_N.htm