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You better believe it.

It's the shoes, the boarding passes, the ID requirement, the haraSSSSment, the asinine prohibited items list, and many more stupid, un-American rules and policies that the TSA has created.

If we roll over for shoe checks that do absolutely nothing, what's next?

"I repeat it, sir, we must fight!..."

Comrade Hawley and the rest of the management at the TSA as well as Comrade-Secretary Chertoff are nothing less than traitors to the United States of America's principles and are just as odious as the opressors of the colonists were. There's no difference between the likes of Hawley/Chertoff and Zacarias Moussaoui. They are all enemies of liberty and freedom and ought to be treated in exactly the same manner.

Q: Does the upper management of the DHS & TSA lurk on FT?

A: No. Historical precident shows the best and quickest way to have a direct email dialog with senior DHS management is to log on to myspace.com as "Amanda-14".

LOL!

While I think Bart is a good employee, who cares about providing good service and even better security, let me ask this:

How many people has TSA actually caught? I know, the government would respond that it's because of the fine work of the TSA that air security is better than it's ever been.

Perhaps, but we've seen a serious attack on our Bill of Rights by people who do not represent the best interests of the United States. This is what spiff is trying to address, I believe. It's not about taking off your shoes. The Department of Homeland Security is a joke; and I have to say I certainly don't feel safer with them.Just the opposite. Keep in mind, these are the folks ultimately responsible for all the fine work in New Orleans after Katrina.

And whose fault is it?

Why that's simple: It's ours.

Don't forget to vote - it's one of the last things we have left.

Wow, I think somebody needs a nap.

Bart mentions that "The line of free speech is crossed..." whenever someone commits an overt act towards the commission of a crime.

This may apply wherever the governmental agency in charge has accountability. In the Lines of Public Example at the TSA-controlled sections of the airports it most definitely does not. In these Constitution-Free Zones (not mine: term stolen from another site, darn it) your free speech can get you cancelled from a flight or placed in the scrutiny of leo's (all legally, but morally reprehensibly) by any screener or airline agent for ANY reason THEY claim is SSI.

Your rights dwindle to None At All the moment you approach these pigpens designed for you, via the collapsed arteries of Implied Consent, Implication of your Terrorism, and Insinuation of Screener Intelligence. You are a legally bound and gagged captive of a treacherous and omnipotent government agency. Of course, you will be told to dance a little bit with your arms flapping and your feet bare until you can prove you are NOT guilty.

The Scanners in question may well be here, taking notes. My God, we pay them enough! Surely they have a funded agenda for boards like these. See, they must contrive that the Pigpen Borders would never, EVER extend outside those of the airport, and into our very homes. Somehow we have to be forced to come to believe that! 'sides, it isn't really wiretapping, or anything.

So, nah. Surely they aren't here. These are, after all, HONORABLE Americans in charge of your life and safety. (Deep sigh of relief appropriate at this point.)

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I concur in my right honourable friend's result, but not his opinion (any other Prime Minister's Question Time geeks here?).

It's highly doubtful that any top corporate executives or administrators spend time on FT. However, journalists do in large numbers. When they write about what they see here, someone puts the article in front of these folks.

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I'm not buying it. Given the history of publicizing the incidents of when the TSA/Law Enforcement Agency thought they were on to something and, of course, never have been, I would certainly think they would publicize successes to further justify their necessity and budget.

And if you are telling me that we are arresting persons in the US and not providing any due process, then we have bigger problems.

Bart, thanks for your professional demeanor in these threads. I wish everyone here posted likewise, it's truly amazing to read such vitriol.

I wonder what they would do if suddenly put in charge of TSA? Oh, everything would run perfectly, I'm sure.

In fact, I AM interested in what folks who are so against TSA, and the hassles we experience while flying, believe should be done to prevent terrorist acts using aircraft. If you are so adamant, surely you have viable alternatives-or are you just full of hateful rhetoric?

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Lianluo, first welcome to FlyerTalk and I hope that you will continue to participate in these discussions.

As for viable alternatives, these have been discussed many times and a search will bring them up. To give you some examples, we should start screening cargo that goes into the belly of the plane I am riding on. We should install puffer machines to detect explosives. We now have in place a different attitude towards hijackers that did not exist until the last moments of Flight 93. We will no longer cooperate. We now have hardened cockpit doors.

We should do away with searching for non-credible weapons, i.e. items that won't bring an airplane down. Searching for all other items creates too much noise. We should do away with SSSS and the shoe carnival. I am sure that others can chime in about additional ideas.