Since announcement on shoe removal I have taken off shoes every time
Aug 10, 2003, 11:36 pm
#16
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Try wearing flip-flops. After my last fiasco at FLL & HNL I decided to do what the "locals" do here in the islands. Last week I wore 'em and did not have to take them off (or get the "secondary") at HNL or HSV. Guess they figure you can't hide anything there!
Aug 11, 2003, 6:02 am
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"Nothing made you suspect, it's just random. Screeners don't have the time, training, or inclination to figure out if someone is suspicious or not."
That comment is scary, really scary!!!! I really hope my tax money is paying the TSA for something better that in the above comment!
That comment is scary, really scary!!!! I really hope my tax money is paying the TSA for something better that in the above comment!
Aug 11, 2003, 7:21 am
#18
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No, CATSAscreener is right. TSA did not put us screeners through training to detect suspect people/shoes. I agree that we should have undergone much more extensive training. Otherwise, why not just keep the private companies. We basically did the same training they had to go through except more hours of it. That's why so many people complain, because it is window dressing security. If we were properly and thoroughly trained you would be able to see a large improvement in security. But the TSA decided they could hit that NOV deadline in 2002 so they could prove a point and not train their people as well as hire ex-cons. It doesn't make me proud of the agency I work for, but it does put bread on the table.....for now.
Aug 11, 2003, 9:34 am
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Yesterday at CVG I refused to take my cheap sandals off.(Which I wore intentionally, as I knew they wouldn't set the detector off.)
Sure enough, he sends me for the full body cavity check, where they couldn't even get anything to beep on me...
Sure enough, he sends me for the full body cavity check, where they couldn't even get anything to beep on me...
Aug 11, 2003, 12:35 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by OrlandoFlyer:
"Nothing made you suspect, it's just random. Screeners don't have the time, training, or inclination to figure out if someone is suspicious or not."
That comment is scary, really scary!!!! I really hope my tax money is paying the TSA for something better that in the above comment!
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"Nothing made you suspect, it's just random. Screeners don't have the time, training, or inclination to figure out if someone is suspicious or not."
That comment is scary, really scary!!!! I really hope my tax money is paying the TSA for something better that in the above comment!
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I personally think that screener training should be a two week intensive course with real standards held a centralized location. Law, ethics, customer service and weapon/explosives identification would be emphasized to a much greater extend and at a centralized location they could actually show us a collection of real bombs and firearms and test them through x-rays. Weeding out of undesirables could also be done on a two week course.
Aug 11, 2003, 5:45 pm
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So why does the TSA tell us otherwise?
(emphasis added)
From http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=1&content=583
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">TSA's increased focus on screening shoes in recent months reflects a necessary reaction to information gathered by federal intelligence agencies.
In order to provide a high level of security with the least amount of inconvenience, TSA has produced the following policy for the screening of footwear:
*TSA does NOT require that passengers remove their shoes prior to proceeding through the security checkpoint.
*However, any person that alerts while proceeding through the checkpoint will be subject to a secondary screening to determine the source of the alarm.
*TSA screeners have also been trained to look for suspicious footwear that may require secondary screening regardless of whether the metal detectors alarm.
If you know that your shoes will alarm the metal detector, you may choose to take them off prior to entering the checkpoint and place them in a TSA provided bin so they may be cleared through the x-ray machines.
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In order to provide a high level of security with the least amount of inconvenience, TSA has produced the following policy for the screening of footwear:
*TSA does NOT require that passengers remove their shoes prior to proceeding through the security checkpoint.
*However, any person that alerts while proceeding through the checkpoint will be subject to a secondary screening to determine the source of the alarm.
*TSA screeners have also been trained to look for suspicious footwear that may require secondary screening regardless of whether the metal detectors alarm.
If you know that your shoes will alarm the metal detector, you may choose to take them off prior to entering the checkpoint and place them in a TSA provided bin so they may be cleared through the x-ray machines.
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From http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=1&content=583
Aug 11, 2003, 6:22 pm
#22
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pdhenry:
So why does the TSA tell us otherwise?</font>
So why does the TSA tell us otherwise?</font>
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Aug 11, 2003, 7:07 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by pdhenry:
So why does the TSA tell us otherwise? </font>
So why does the TSA tell us otherwise? </font>
Aug 11, 2003, 7:30 pm
#24
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If you would refer to my previous post, it is also a loophole so the airports can use the excuse that your shoes "looked suspicious" and they can't be blamed for anything. It's just a way for them to have everyone remove their shoes and get away with it.
Aug 11, 2003, 7:47 pm
#25
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I haven't taken my shoes off once, nor will I for this nonsense.
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Aug 11, 2003, 11:33 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fenito:
If you would refer to my previous post, it is also a loophole so the airports can use the excuse that your shoes "looked suspicious" and they can't be blamed for anything. It's just a way for them to have everyone remove their shoes and get away with it.</font>
If you would refer to my previous post, it is also a loophole so the airports can use the excuse that your shoes "looked suspicious" and they can't be blamed for anything. It's just a way for them to have everyone remove their shoes and get away with it.</font>
Aug 12, 2003, 3:54 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tazi:
I haven't taken my shoes off once, nor will I for this nonsense.
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I haven't taken my shoes off once, nor will I for this nonsense.
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Aug 25, 2003, 2:47 pm
#29
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Pretty the shoe policy is this,
1) Do not instruct passengers to take off their shoes.
2) You may "suggest" the passengers to take them off if you feel they may ring or have a 1" sole or bigger.
3) If the sole is not 1" or bigger and you dont ring then you are techinally allowed to go.
4) SOP policy though is for screeners to screen people on a random basis.
Why do you see a lot of screeners standing around now? A lot are lazy or a lot are tired of having to call for a supervisor when a passenger gets ticked off at them for being screen for pretty much no reason.
I honestly still do screening be it random or because someone rings. I dont like the idea of people coming through and seeing me standing there like Im a trained ape.
But one idea that I honestly like is counties(sp?) bag checks with a ETD. It only takes a short time and most the time that I do it most people are still trying to put jeweler and stuff back on when I get down. Really doesnt waste your time.
But a few otheres have said it here, the training we recieved when joining TSA was no different from the training I got with the private company I was with before.
I would the US to go and talk to other countries and put that kind of securtiy into affect, at least at that point I would feel I was doing something to keep people safe.
1) Do not instruct passengers to take off their shoes.
2) You may "suggest" the passengers to take them off if you feel they may ring or have a 1" sole or bigger.
3) If the sole is not 1" or bigger and you dont ring then you are techinally allowed to go.
4) SOP policy though is for screeners to screen people on a random basis.
Why do you see a lot of screeners standing around now? A lot are lazy or a lot are tired of having to call for a supervisor when a passenger gets ticked off at them for being screen for pretty much no reason.
I honestly still do screening be it random or because someone rings. I dont like the idea of people coming through and seeing me standing there like Im a trained ape.
But one idea that I honestly like is counties(sp?) bag checks with a ETD. It only takes a short time and most the time that I do it most people are still trying to put jeweler and stuff back on when I get down. Really doesnt waste your time.
But a few otheres have said it here, the training we recieved when joining TSA was no different from the training I got with the private company I was with before.
I would the US to go and talk to other countries and put that kind of securtiy into affect, at least at that point I would feel I was doing something to keep people safe.
Aug 25, 2003, 3:31 pm
#30
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Screener:
4) SOP policy though is for screeners to screen people on a random basis.
Why do you see a lot of screeners standing around now? A lot are lazy or a lot are tired of having to call for a supervisor when a passenger gets ticked off at them for being screen for pretty much no reason.
I honestly still do screening be it random or because someone rings. I dont like the idea of people coming through and seeing me standing there like Im a trained ape.
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4) SOP policy though is for screeners to screen people on a random basis.
Why do you see a lot of screeners standing around now? A lot are lazy or a lot are tired of having to call for a supervisor when a passenger gets ticked off at them for being screen for pretty much no reason.
I honestly still do screening be it random or because someone rings. I dont like the idea of people coming through and seeing me standing there like Im a trained ape.
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