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Mar 19, 2003, 9:32 am
#286
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by bdschobel:
Well, share with us YOUR opinion. Are these things OK? Can the TSA do anything it likes as long as they chant the magic word "security" beforehand? Do you recognize any limits at all on the TSA's authority? I really want to know.
Bruce</font>
Well, share with us YOUR opinion. Are these things OK? Can the TSA do anything it likes as long as they chant the magic word "security" beforehand? Do you recognize any limits at all on the TSA's authority? I really want to know.
Bruce</font>
No gov. dept. is perfect, but I think that this agency, with the right guidance could and can do wonderful things.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Mar 19, 2003, 11:04 am
#289
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Yep, sure do!
We all know your intentions are good. However, the actions of your agency defy logic and the principles upon which this nation was founded.
Let's take a little quiz, shall we?
My organization routinely opens people's belongings without them being present and breaks into these belongings if necessary while assuming no responsibility for them. I am most likely working for:
A)A Patriotic, American Organization
B)The Stazi, the East German Secret Police
In the course of performing my job, I routinely search people and their belongings without any provocation or probable cause. I am polite about it, but some people are searched multiple times. The people have no choice but to submit to the search. If they object too much, they are threatened with detention and/or cancellation of their travel plans. I am more likely working for:
A)A Patriotic American Organization
B)The SS in Nazi Germany
My organization relies on technology that is highly unreliable. It sometimes detects perfume or chocolate as being explosives. When this happens, there really is no contingency plan; we simply panic and evacuate the area. This causes great economic hardship to all in the immediate and sometimes distant area. We even evacuate when we discover sharp and pointy objects in the trash, or gumbo in the bathroom. Our nation is more likely:
A)The USA, the most technologically advanced nation on the planet.
B)A third-world Banana Republic country for whom electricity and running water are relatively new things.
How did you score?
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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
We all know your intentions are good. However, the actions of your agency defy logic and the principles upon which this nation was founded.
Let's take a little quiz, shall we?
My organization routinely opens people's belongings without them being present and breaks into these belongings if necessary while assuming no responsibility for them. I am most likely working for:
A)A Patriotic, American Organization
B)The Stazi, the East German Secret Police
In the course of performing my job, I routinely search people and their belongings without any provocation or probable cause. I am polite about it, but some people are searched multiple times. The people have no choice but to submit to the search. If they object too much, they are threatened with detention and/or cancellation of their travel plans. I am more likely working for:
A)A Patriotic American Organization
B)The SS in Nazi Germany
My organization relies on technology that is highly unreliable. It sometimes detects perfume or chocolate as being explosives. When this happens, there really is no contingency plan; we simply panic and evacuate the area. This causes great economic hardship to all in the immediate and sometimes distant area. We even evacuate when we discover sharp and pointy objects in the trash, or gumbo in the bathroom. Our nation is more likely:
A)The USA, the most technologically advanced nation on the planet.
B)A third-world Banana Republic country for whom electricity and running water are relatively new things.
How did you score?
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Opinions, gotta luv 'um.
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Opinions, gotta luv 'um.
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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
Mar 19, 2003, 12:10 pm
#291
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I have stated many, many times my concrete suggestions for handling the whole thing. I have also offered to do Loy's or Mineta's job at a fraction of the cost. I would realize how improbable some of the events are for which we currently try to prevent. Please do a search on the word probability if you'd like some examples of what I mean by this.
Here are some ways I would handle things:
1)Knives and other pointy objects are not credible weapons to the safety of the aircraft. They could be used to attack other passengers, but that could happen anywhere. In the event of such a pointless <pun> terrorist? attack, the pilot will land the plane while the other passengers restrain the sharpie psycho. By ending the Great Pointy Object Search, the TSA could save millions of dollars in personnel costs and in disposal of said pointy objects.
2)No search without warrant or probable cause. The Fourth Amendment would be resurrected from the grave into which Norman Mineta cast it. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their luggage pass through the x-ray is granted free access to all of airside. Also, no more multiple checkpoints. All of airside means only one checkpoint for the entire airport. Passengers from other nations' flights could be rescreened if their security is not up to snuff. Otherwise, only 1 screening will be done on a passenger. Millions of additional dollars saved; enough to refurb any airport with airside-airside security restrictions and increase the capabilities of the x-ray machine.
3)No bag shall be opened without its owner present. Savings from 1 and 2 above will enable the purchase of non-Comrade Daschle specified explosives detection equipment so that only a very small number of bags need to be opened.
4)The 30 minute no pee rule near DCA is to be immediately scrapped.
5)No CRAPPS II or background check required to fly. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their belongings pass through the x-ray is free to fly. If the airlines wish to maintain a private no-fly list for passengers who have committed offenses pertaining to air travel (similar to Las Vegas casinos barring some players, but to conform with common carrier laws) then that's fine too.
I have offered other suggestions; a search will reveal them as well.
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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
Here are some ways I would handle things:
1)Knives and other pointy objects are not credible weapons to the safety of the aircraft. They could be used to attack other passengers, but that could happen anywhere. In the event of such a pointless <pun> terrorist? attack, the pilot will land the plane while the other passengers restrain the sharpie psycho. By ending the Great Pointy Object Search, the TSA could save millions of dollars in personnel costs and in disposal of said pointy objects.
2)No search without warrant or probable cause. The Fourth Amendment would be resurrected from the grave into which Norman Mineta cast it. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their luggage pass through the x-ray is granted free access to all of airside. Also, no more multiple checkpoints. All of airside means only one checkpoint for the entire airport. Passengers from other nations' flights could be rescreened if their security is not up to snuff. Otherwise, only 1 screening will be done on a passenger. Millions of additional dollars saved; enough to refurb any airport with airside-airside security restrictions and increase the capabilities of the x-ray machine.
3)No bag shall be opened without its owner present. Savings from 1 and 2 above will enable the purchase of non-Comrade Daschle specified explosives detection equipment so that only a very small number of bags need to be opened.
4)The 30 minute no pee rule near DCA is to be immediately scrapped.
5)No CRAPPS II or background check required to fly. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their belongings pass through the x-ray is free to fly. If the airlines wish to maintain a private no-fly list for passengers who have committed offenses pertaining to air travel (similar to Las Vegas casinos barring some players, but to conform with common carrier laws) then that's fine too.
I have offered other suggestions; a search will reveal them as well.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by tsadude:
OK Spiff, you have run your mouth alot and it's time to walk the walk. What is a patriotic organization that conducts security the way you like it or how would you handle the whole thing.</font>
OK Spiff, you have run your mouth alot and it's time to walk the walk. What is a patriotic organization that conducts security the way you like it or how would you handle the whole thing.</font>
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Mar 19, 2003, 2:45 pm
#292
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
I have stated many, many times my concrete suggestions for handling the whole thing. I have also offered to do Loy's or Mineta's job at a fraction of the cost. I would realize how improbable some of the events are for which we currently try to prevent. Please do a search on the word probability if you'd like some examples of what I mean by this.
Here are some ways I would handle things:
1)Knives and other pointy objects are not credible weapons to the safety of the aircraft. They could be used to attack other passengers, but that could happen anywhere. In the event of such a pointless <pun> terrorist? attack, the pilot will land the plane while the other passengers restrain the sharpie psycho. By ending the Great Pointy Object Search, the TSA could save millions of dollars in personnel costs and in disposal of said pointy objects.
2)No search without warrant or probable cause. The Fourth Amendment would be resurrected from the grave into which Norman Mineta cast it. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their luggage pass through the x-ray is granted free access to all of airside. Also, no more multiple checkpoints. All of airside means only one checkpoint for the entire airport. Passengers from other nations' flights could be rescreened if their security is not up to snuff. Otherwise, only 1 screening will be done on a passenger. Millions of additional dollars saved; enough to refurb any airport with airside-airside security restrictions and increase the capabilities of the x-ray machine.
3)No bag shall be opened without its owner present. Savings from 1 and 2 above will enable the purchase of non-Comrade Daschle specified explosives detection equipment so that only a very small number of bags need to be opened.
4)The 30 minute no pee rule near DCA is to be immediately scrapped.
5)No CRAPPS II or background check required to fly. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their belongings pass through the x-ray is free to fly. If the airlines wish to maintain a private no-fly list for passengers who have committed offenses pertaining to air travel (similar to Las Vegas casinos barring some players, but to conform with common carrier laws) then that's fine too.
I have offered other suggestions; a search will reveal them as well.
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I have stated many, many times my concrete suggestions for handling the whole thing. I have also offered to do Loy's or Mineta's job at a fraction of the cost. I would realize how improbable some of the events are for which we currently try to prevent. Please do a search on the word probability if you'd like some examples of what I mean by this.
Here are some ways I would handle things:
1)Knives and other pointy objects are not credible weapons to the safety of the aircraft. They could be used to attack other passengers, but that could happen anywhere. In the event of such a pointless <pun> terrorist? attack, the pilot will land the plane while the other passengers restrain the sharpie psycho. By ending the Great Pointy Object Search, the TSA could save millions of dollars in personnel costs and in disposal of said pointy objects.
2)No search without warrant or probable cause. The Fourth Amendment would be resurrected from the grave into which Norman Mineta cast it. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their luggage pass through the x-ray is granted free access to all of airside. Also, no more multiple checkpoints. All of airside means only one checkpoint for the entire airport. Passengers from other nations' flights could be rescreened if their security is not up to snuff. Otherwise, only 1 screening will be done on a passenger. Millions of additional dollars saved; enough to refurb any airport with airside-airside security restrictions and increase the capabilities of the x-ray machine.
3)No bag shall be opened without its owner present. Savings from 1 and 2 above will enable the purchase of non-Comrade Daschle specified explosives detection equipment so that only a very small number of bags need to be opened.
4)The 30 minute no pee rule near DCA is to be immediately scrapped.
5)No CRAPPS II or background check required to fly. Anyone who passes through the metal detector and has their belongings pass through the x-ray is free to fly. If the airlines wish to maintain a private no-fly list for passengers who have committed offenses pertaining to air travel (similar to Las Vegas casinos barring some players, but to conform with common carrier laws) then that's fine too.
I have offered other suggestions; a search will reveal them as well.
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2. Everyone would still have to be fully searched. According to what you have said before, this is a violation of the 4th amendment. What would be the probable cause for search?
3. This is a software issue that has not been developed or at least released yet and nobody here at the website has been able to provide that information to despute that there is something better.
4.This is a very stupid rule in my opinion also, but it is not really relevant to any other flight.
5.So you are suggesting that there be no profiling? From what I have read and heard, profiling is the best prevention. Besides, the airlines do keep a bad boy/girl list.
Mar 19, 2003, 9:17 pm
#293
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ACES II:
Of course thats just your opinion, you could be wrong.</font>
Of course thats just your opinion, you could be wrong.</font>
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deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin
Mar 19, 2003, 9:37 pm
#294
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
Yep, sure do!
We all know your intentions are good. However, the actions of your agency defy logic and the principles upon which this nation was founded.
Let's take a little quiz, shall we?
My organization routinely opens people's belongings without them being present and breaks into these belongings if necessary while assuming no responsibility for them. I am most likely working for:
A)A Patriotic, American Organization
B)The Stazi, the East German Secret Police
In the course of performing my job, I routinely search people and their belongings without any provocation or probable cause. I am polite about it, but some people are searched multiple times. The people have no choice but to submit to the search. If they object too much, they are threatened with detention and/or cancellation of their travel plans. I am more likely working for:
A)A Patriotic American Organization
B)The SS in Nazi Germany
My organization relies on technology that is highly unreliable. It sometimes detects perfume or chocolate as being explosives. When this happens, there really is no contingency plan; we simply panic and evacuate the area. This causes great economic hardship to all in the immediate and sometimes distant area. We even evacuate when we discover sharp and pointy objects in the trash, or gumbo in the bathroom. Our nation is more likely:
A)The USA, the most technologically advanced nation on the planet.
B)A third-world Banana Republic country for whom electricity and running water are relatively new things.
How did you score?
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Yep, sure do!
We all know your intentions are good. However, the actions of your agency defy logic and the principles upon which this nation was founded.
Let's take a little quiz, shall we?
My organization routinely opens people's belongings without them being present and breaks into these belongings if necessary while assuming no responsibility for them. I am most likely working for:
A)A Patriotic, American Organization
B)The Stazi, the East German Secret Police
In the course of performing my job, I routinely search people and their belongings without any provocation or probable cause. I am polite about it, but some people are searched multiple times. The people have no choice but to submit to the search. If they object too much, they are threatened with detention and/or cancellation of their travel plans. I am more likely working for:
A)A Patriotic American Organization
B)The SS in Nazi Germany
My organization relies on technology that is highly unreliable. It sometimes detects perfume or chocolate as being explosives. When this happens, there really is no contingency plan; we simply panic and evacuate the area. This causes great economic hardship to all in the immediate and sometimes distant area. We even evacuate when we discover sharp and pointy objects in the trash, or gumbo in the bathroom. Our nation is more likely:
A)The USA, the most technologically advanced nation on the planet.
B)A third-world Banana Republic country for whom electricity and running water are relatively new things.
How did you score?
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Anybody else feel that WARM breeze ??
Spiff my man, you take the cake.
Mar 20, 2003, 5:51 am
#296
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Tazi, I could be, but unfortunately for you I am not. My best friend is a screener and he fills me in on a lot of stuff. Also unrtunately for you, the TSA is not going away. So I suspect we will be hearing you guys whine for years to come. I do hope my sides don't split too much by then, I do enjoy a good laugh reading this stuff.
Mar 20, 2003, 8:27 am
#297
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The warm breeze I hope to feel someday is the mass exodus of TSA employees from my airports as they head to the unemployement office.
I do hope some of the more competent ones are rehired by private firms that are not managed by jackasses and respect people's civil liberties.
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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
I do hope some of the more competent ones are rehired by private firms that are not managed by jackasses and respect people's civil liberties.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Blah, blah, blah.
Anybody else feel that WARM breeze ??
Spiff my man, you take the cake.
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Blah, blah, blah.
Anybody else feel that WARM breeze ??
Spiff my man, you take the cake.
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Mar 20, 2003, 9:39 am
#299
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">The warm breeze I hope to feel someday is the mass exodus of TSA employees from my airports as they head to the unemployement office.</font>
Signed: Cholula, aka one of Spiff's ilk.
Mar 20, 2003, 11:23 am
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Nah...
But I might buy one of those ejection seats of yours to speed up the exodus process.
I think after 2 more years of abuse, you're going to see fewer, if any TSA employees at the airports.
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But I might buy one of those ejection seats of yours to speed up the exodus process.
I think after 2 more years of abuse, you're going to see fewer, if any TSA employees at the airports.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ACES II:
Spiff, here is an idea. Why don't you hold your breath till it happens. Then you can have both liberty and death at the same time. It is not going to happen, no matter how badly you and your ilk want it to.</font>
Spiff, here is an idea. Why don't you hold your breath till it happens. Then you can have both liberty and death at the same time. It is not going to happen, no matter how badly you and your ilk want it to.</font>
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