"SSSS" - Secondary Security Screening Selection
#316
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: on the path to perdition
Programs: Delta, United
Posts: 4,786
Not sure on that one ...
#317
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP 1MM, DL PM, Bonvoy Titanium (Plat Life), HH G, Amtrak, B6, MR
Posts: 1,548
This tip probably saved me 20 minutes if not longer. Considering how closely they examined my sneakers, and knowing how much crap I carry around in my bag, I shudder to think what that experience would have been like. I got the most thorough pat down by TSA at JFK that I think I may have ever gotten. Honestly it was almost a massage. The screener was actually excited that I had no bags. I hope the rest of my trip goes smoother.
#318
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 38,410
Thanks for the tip. I am considering it, but wonder about number of carryon bags we have and whether I can successfully have the family get them through security without being questioned or stopped.
The thing that I am concerned about is the bit the club agent read to me about UK clearance.
The thing that I am concerned about is the bit the club agent read to me about UK clearance.
#319
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Connect from RIC
Programs: Delta Platinum, United Premier,, AAdvantage Gold, InterContinental Ambassador
Posts: 68
On a recent turnaround business flight IAD FRA on United thence FRA ATL on Lufthansa, I received the dreaded SSSS. Earned me a thorough inspection at FRA, to include foot massage as cited above. Entering terminal Z, the SSSS earned me a 10 minute wait to get escorted back to the same security checkpoint for yet another thorough check, to include another foot massage, With all this excitement, I was worried about my Global Entry reception at ATL…fortunately, NADA….had no further issues flying home the next door, or on IAD to MCI flight the following week. Funny part, I am affiliated with Lufthansa Cargo!
#320
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP 1MM, DL PM, Bonvoy Titanium (Plat Life), HH G, Amtrak, B6, MR
Posts: 1,548
I got tagged again on the return flight from London. So annoying. As last time, I sent all of my stuff ahead with my family so it was just me, my phone and my jacket. Thankfully at LHR they just do this at the gate, not at the security checkpoint. Only took a few minutes.
#321
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: BOS
Programs: AA EXP 1MM, DL PM, Bonvoy Titanium (Plat Life), HH G, Amtrak, B6, MR
Posts: 1,548
I spoke to someone in CBP who supposedly checked my record and said there's nothing in there to explain why I'm getting tagged. This person theorized that perhaps Scotland Yard has me tagged and has sent something to DHS requesting additional screening. I don't know if I believe that, but I suppose anything is possible. So while it could certainly be random, I'm somewhat skeptical of that since out of 4 US-LHR flights (two out, two back) I got tagged on 3 of them (all except for my first outbound back in October).
This person suggested that before I resort to a redress number that I file a FOIA request. If anyone here has experience with these, could you advise on whether that's a viable path forward and what agency I would direct it to?
Thanks.
This person suggested that before I resort to a redress number that I file a FOIA request. If anyone here has experience with these, could you advise on whether that's a viable path forward and what agency I would direct it to?
Thanks.
#322
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Hilton Lifetime Diamond, DL Diamond & 2M Miler, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 683
SSSS security when flying LHR to SLC
Recently completed a paid roundtrip in DL One from SAN/SLC/LHR on a VS marketed ticket. The good news is that all segments posted quickly and accurately using the 40% of miles flown for the MQD calculation. On the outbound everything seemed normal. TSA Precheck worked as usual with my Global Entry number in the ticket record. On the return from LHR to SLC I was unable to check in online. When arriving at the Virgin Upper Class Wing, our Uber Driver had to repeatedly provide information to someone over a speaker. We were finally allowed to drive through. Check in went normally for me and my companion, also traveling in DL One on a separate reservation. We even spotted Duran Duran's Simon Le Bon and his wife in front of us.
After arriving at the gate in LHR we discovered that we both had the dreaded SSSS on our boarding passes. Haven't seen that in over ten years. And upon arrival in SLC I discovered that TSA Precheck was missing from my SLC to SAN boarding pass. My companion still enjoyed Precheck on that segment. A Sky Club rep checked everything and couldn't explain what happened. Has this ever happened to anyone flying back to the US?
After arriving at the gate in LHR we discovered that we both had the dreaded SSSS on our boarding passes. Haven't seen that in over ten years. And upon arrival in SLC I discovered that TSA Precheck was missing from my SLC to SAN boarding pass. My companion still enjoyed Precheck on that segment. A Sky Club rep checked everything and couldn't explain what happened. Has this ever happened to anyone flying back to the US?
#323
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Minneapolis
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 2,235
You do know that Pre-tsa isn't guaranteed. Every once in a while you might not get it due to random checks. Also, sometimes there is a breakdown in communication between TSA and the airlines. That is why sometimes, if you get your boarding pass reprinted, you will get it.
#324
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: NJ
Programs: DL DM, Marriott Plat
Posts: 867
It's been a while, but the last time I had SSSS on my boarding pass for the international leg arriving in the US, I didn't have Precheck on my connecting BP (for MSP-BDL as part of ICN-MSP-BDL, not that the routing itself probably really matters).
It's the only time in probably the past 5 years that I can think of where Precheck didn't show up - perhaps it's correlated? I'd be curious if anyone else has run into this.
It's the only time in probably the past 5 years that I can think of where Precheck didn't show up - perhaps it's correlated? I'd be curious if anyone else has run into this.
#325
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: Hilton Lifetime Diamond, DL Diamond & 2M Miler, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 683
The reprint didn't work in this case. Sky Club rep printed it again the club and still no TSA Precheck. I would accept the random theory if it weren't for both of us on separate PNRs receiving the SSSS. From the list of selectees where our seat numbers were recorded we were the only passengers selected for additional screening in DL One.
#326
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Antonio
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It's been a while, but the last time I had SSSS on my boarding pass for the international leg arriving in the US, I didn't have Precheck on my connecting BP (for MSP-BDL as part of ICN-MSP-BDL, not that the routing itself probably really matters).
It's the only time in probably the past 5 years that I can think of where Precheck didn't show up - perhaps it's correlated? I'd be curious if anyone else has run into this.
It's the only time in probably the past 5 years that I can think of where Precheck didn't show up - perhaps it's correlated? I'd be curious if anyone else has run into this.
As for OP he could also now match someone on a list. People somtime need both a KTN and a redress number to get Pre.
#327
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: ANC
Programs: DL DM
Posts: 1,856
The TSA is increasing their number of “Random Checks.” This is for both the traveling public (SSSS on a boarding pass) as well as airline crewmembers utilizing KCM, Known Crewmember, (receiving USP upon scanning their ID - Unpredictable Screening Protocol).
As an airline pilot it’s becoming a real pain. About 50% of all Crewmembers are “randomed” daily - further increasing long TSA lines. Had it happen this morning to me in AUS.
I would imagine it was a one off for the OP, but would expect to see it happen more frequently to others soon.
As an airline pilot it’s becoming a real pain. About 50% of all Crewmembers are “randomed” daily - further increasing long TSA lines. Had it happen this morning to me in AUS.
I would imagine it was a one off for the OP, but would expect to see it happen more frequently to others soon.
#328
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: MSP
Programs: DL PM, UA Gold, WN, Global Entry; +others wherever miles/points are found
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SSSS will suppress Pre on downline segments on the same PNR.
Sometimes reprinting helps, sometimes checking in again once the international coupon is lifted helps, and sometimes it doesn't come back. This is normal.
Sometimes reprinting helps, sometimes checking in again once the international coupon is lifted helps, and sometimes it doesn't come back. This is normal.
#329
#330
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Got SSSS'd on United yesterday and no PreCheck on the domestic connection. I SDC'd (same concept for DL) and suddenly PreCheck appeared. I used that BP to get through security and then SDC'd back to the earlier flight I was on that wouldn't give me PreCheck even after re-checking in while on the long haul flight or by re-entering my KTN.
I suspect the same would happen for DL. If you SDC to a different flight it's considered a brand new check-in so will likely get PreCheck back. Of course SDC'ing to a later flight does not guarantee you can SDC back to your original flight. Plus things like RUC/GUC can muck up SDC. Sometimes it may not be worth it and standard security screening should just be used.
-RM
I suspect the same would happen for DL. If you SDC to a different flight it's considered a brand new check-in so will likely get PreCheck back. Of course SDC'ing to a later flight does not guarantee you can SDC back to your original flight. Plus things like RUC/GUC can muck up SDC. Sometimes it may not be worth it and standard security screening should just be used.
-RM