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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Lara21
But my impression was that her answer seem to be saying that TSA has the right to do any search of the passengers that they want to do even if it does violate the 4th amendment. That the court could work that pesky problem out of passengers rights being violated.
Again, none of us have seen the transcript. But from what I read, my understanding is that the comment related to the mechanism of the regulatory process, not to what would or wouldn't be done.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 6:23 pm
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Wow all I asked was a simple question some of you are frankly way over the top for me. I never knew there were so many people willing to fight and argue about if a reported event happened at plane gate or security control or even if it happened.
So to answer a few last questions before I leave:
The camera was new and had no pictures on it. The Ipod was old and had some horse pictures on it, music and a couple of books, and a couple of podcasts I get nothing of interest to anyone, the pen was a local bank giveaway, again nothing of any interest. The search occurred at the security check point as I was leaving to go to the plane gates, not at plane gate. I have no idea of the condition of the machine, it did have some kind of fiber round disk and they used 2 or 3 of them, they did have rubber gloves on but again I have no idea if they had changed the prior to searching my handbag.
As I said I allowed them to do this, I was naive and after this discussion I am a lot smarter. I am making contact with the authorities and I consider the issue closed at this point. Thanks to everyone for their input.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by nco4242
Wow all I asked was a simple question some of you are frankly way over the top for me. I never knew there were so many people willing to fight and argue about if a reported event happened at plane gate or security control or even if it happened.
So to answer a few last questions before I leave:
The camera was new and had no pictures on it. The Ipod was old and had some horse pictures on it, music and a couple of books, and a couple of podcasts I get nothing of interest to anyone, the pen was a local bank giveaway, again nothing of any interest. The search occurred at the security check point as I was leaving to go to the plane gates, not at plane gate. I have no idea of the condition of the machine, it did have some kind of fiber round disk and they used 2 or 3 of them, they did have rubber gloves on but again I have no idea if they had changed the prior to searching my handbag.
As I said I allowed them to do this, I was naive and after this discussion I am a lot smarter. I am making contact with the authorities and I consider the issue closed at this point. Thanks to everyone for their input.
Great! And thank you for doing so.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 7:24 pm
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I am making contact with the authorities and I consider the issue closed at this point. Thanks to everyone for their input.
Thanks for following up and don't accept a snow job!

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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by nco4242
As I said I allowed them to do this, I was naive and after this discussion I am a lot smarter. I am making contact with the authorities and I consider the issue closed at this point. Thanks to everyone for their input.
Good thinking on both points.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 7:43 pm
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over-the-top

Originally Posted by nco4242
some of you are frankly way over the top for me. I never knew there were so many people willing to fight and argue about if a reported event happened at plane gate or security control or even if it happened.
Thanks for participating in the discussion anyway. Stepping back a bit, I can imagine how you would feel that way.

Please consider where some of the rest of us are coming from: About four or five years ago, I started flying without presenting documentation of my identity ("showing ID") on principle. I don't think we should have to identify ourselves to our government and wait for permission to travel from one state to another, so I don't want to go along with doing so. I'm certain that if, at that time, I had told people, "Hey, in just a few years, in order to get on a plane, we'll have to let airport security guards use machines to look through our clothing at our naked bodies, and if we decline the virtual strip search, we'll be subjected to police-style body searches in which they'll lift our breasts and feel our scrotums -- sometimes in private rooms with our shirts off and pants pulled down," people would have told me I was out of my mind. Yet just a few years later, that's exactly what's happening.

TSA are on a path of increasingly-lawless behavior. They are way over the top.
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Would you follow a postal clerk into a private room and take off your clothes in front of her?
Depending on what she looked like, I most likely would!
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by nco4242
Wow all I asked was a simple question some of you are frankly way over the top for me. I never knew there were so many people willing to fight and argue about if a reported event happened at plane gate or security control or even if it happened.
So to answer a few last questions before I leave:
The camera was new and had no pictures on it. The Ipod was old and had some horse pictures on it, music and a couple of books, and a couple of podcasts I get nothing of interest to anyone, the pen was a local bank giveaway, again nothing of any interest. The search occurred at the security check point as I was leaving to go to the plane gates, not at plane gate. I have no idea of the condition of the machine, it did have some kind of fiber round disk and they used 2 or 3 of them, they did have rubber gloves on but again I have no idea if they had changed the prior to searching my handbag.
As I said I allowed them to do this, I was naive and after this discussion I am a lot smarter. I am making contact with the authorities and I consider the issue closed at this point. Thanks to everyone for their input.
Thanks for your input. I know that this has been a lot more of a reaction than you would have expected, but I really hope you will follow up and let us know what the authorities say and what the results are. We'd definitely appreciate it.

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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 12:58 am
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Originally Posted by Mimi111
That is absolutely NOT true. This is the second time you've made that claim and I couldn't let this one go. I'm not sure where you are flying from or to or what experience you've had that has caused you to think this is true but it is not.
This was at Security entering into US on Spring Break..

The policy was implemented for nearly a month prior to our being scanned under the nude-o-scope machine..

Tried searching for the nude-o-scope thread.. can someone locate the FT thread and post the link? Thanks..
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:01 am
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Originally Posted by exbayern
I'm sorry, but you are absolutely and utterly incorrect.

Canada uses MMW, mostly for US bound flights. There is random selection of a small percentage of travellers via the mat. One big difference from TSA is that one is clearly offered a choice of the scan or a pat down. The second big difference is that the pat down is nothing like the current TSA pat down.

That is very far from 'all Canadians' being required to do a scan or the pat down.



Sorry Mimi, I missed your reply so I did an edit. I believe that poster is an infrequent leisure traveller, flying mainly from central Canada to MCO, based on previous posts.

That experience would be different from people flying in Canada to domestic destinations, or to international destinations (other than the US)
I assumed the thread is about the TSA.. and I've stated that Canadians get nude-o-scanned or patted down by the TSA.. and it was always my assumption by the TSA..

I apologize for any confusion..
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
This was at Security entering into US on Spring Break..

The policy was implemented for nearly a month prior to our being scanned under the nude-o-scope machine..

Tried searching for the nude-o-scope thread.. can someone locate the FT thread and post the link? Thanks..
I find it very difficult to believe that you as an infrequent traveller have more experience with CATSA security to the US than the many people who post here who do fly regularly from Canada to the US or to other destinations.

That would be a significant change from the randomizer mat and choice of scanner vs pat down in Canada for the few who are selected. If such a change truly has been in place for three months now which meant that CATSA was doing a mandatory MMW scan on all US-bound passengers, I am very certain indeed that we would have heard about it here on FT as well as in the media.

That has not been the case, and I will personally consider my experience as well as the experiences of other posters over yours.
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:05 am
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Originally Posted by N965VJ
If all through the course of human history, everyone always did what "the authorities" wanted, we would be still building pyramids.
Lol!^

Law isn't perfect.. and the TSA rules on strip searches and nude-o-scope scans or choice of patdowns for Canadians.. is pretty flawed..

But we did want to proceed with our vacation.. so we took the scan.. and off to Spring Break we went..
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:08 am
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Originally Posted by exbayern
I find it very difficult to believe that you as an infrequent traveller have more experience with CATSA security to the US than the many people who post here who do fly regularly from Canada to the US or to other destinations.

That would be a significant change from the randomizer mat and choice of scanner vs pat down in Canada for the few who are selected. If such a change truly has been in place for three months now which meant that CATSA was doing a mandatory MMW scan on all US-bound passengers, I am very certain indeed that we would have heard about it here on FT as well as in the media.

That has not been the case, and I will personally consider my experience as well as the experiences of other posters over yours.
AFAIK.. the policy was implemented and hasn't changed..

But, yes the policy could have changed..

I'm an infrequent flyer.. entering the US twice a year.. on a total of 5 to 6 weeks for vacation with my family..

It doesn't matter to me.. If the policy has changed.. good for TSA.. I would like this to happen.. but I don't think there has been any changes since Spring Break..
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:16 am
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Originally Posted by Ancien Maestro
AFAIK.. the policy was implemented and hasn't changed..

But, yes the policy could have changed..

I'm an infrequent flyer.. entering the US twice a year.. on a total of 5 to 6 weeks for vacation with my family..

It doesn't matter to me.. If the policy has changed.. good for TSA.. I would like this to happen.. but I don't think there has been any changes since Spring Break..
C'est peut etre un question de langue. Mais votre reponse, que tous les canadiens faites un scan ou patdown a chaque volle, c'est incorrecte.

Your previous post:
Like in previous posts.. with the nud-o-scan.. pretty much all Canadians are subject to the scanning machine that sees everything.. or a choice of a patdown..

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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 1:24 am
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Originally Posted by Mimi111
C'est peut etre un question de langue. Mais votre reponse, que tous les canadiens faites un scan ou patdown a chaque volle, n'est pas correct.

Your previous post:

It is likely that at the time you passed through security, during spring break, the NoS was being used by TSA as primary at the checkpoint your were travelling through. Canadians, as far as I've seen, are not singled out any more than anyone else. We're all (Canadians, Americans and others) subject to the TSA's insanity.

Thankfully the same insanity is not commonplace here...at least not yet.
Merci..

My understanding is subject to correction.. and my experience at the time at point of entry was there was alot of complaints as Canadians were subject to the Nudo-o-scans.. in fact.. there was media attention to the multi million dollar purchases of these virtual strip searches that see everything..

If they are doing the scans random now.. then great.. I'm glad TSA smartened up..

However, nude-o-scans remain.. even at random patterns.. so the virtual strip searches are occuring daily as we speak..

The bottom line point is.. as Canadians (not sure about the Americans.. as I assume that they don't undergo nude-o-scans.. but again I'm not sure).. is that Canadians are virtually strip searched everyday.

imo.. I neither agree or disagree with this.. in fact I don't think much of it.. We choose as a family not to make an issue of it.. I spoke to my wife about it.. and she doesn't have a problem.. I don't have a problem.. so off to our vacations we go..
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